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    Thread for debate about what right for customer VS resorts

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottySkis View Post
    Here the thread for debate
    Dude is high as a kite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirbannedalot View Post
    Dude is high as a kite
    Nope. Unless you want to levy an accusation of culturally appropriating Ebonics?

    I just got an email from Stowe about Epic Day Passes. I checked it out. Non-holiday "4 pack" is $411.

    That got me thinking about some folks mentioning skiing as a "luxury" (and should be treated as such) in recent threads.

    To me this is completely against the root culture of skiing, although last night watching the Warren Miller movie and seeing a bunch of rich, white, no-job-having, hipster assholes act like they're some New Age Buddha of immaturity between skiing untracked heli powder, I realized the real ski bums are losing this battle.

    Corporations want you to look up to these model-esque, constantly laughing, bums with all their Helly Hanson gear and extreme image... don't forget the mandatory climate change segment while these hypocrites are driving and flying all over the world to ski exclusive lines (and the snow is deeper than ever).

    More power to the Indy Pass and the little guys. Bolton for $49 or Stowe for $130 is a really easy choice for me.

    I used to do as much backpacking as skiing, so I guess I have the mindset that the mountains really belong to everyone, as a gift from our Creator, and we ought to be good stewards as such. Certainly not make it an exclusive (ie expensive) club to participate as such.

    Imagine if prices went down, we'd actually have room to open a few new ski resorts in New England. I can think of a few good mountains and it would be my dream to cut those trails!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    Corporations want you to look up to these model-esque, constantly laughing, bums with all their Helly Hanson gear and extreme image... don't forget the mandatory climate change segment while these hypocrites are driving and flying all over the world to ski exclusive lines (and the snow is deeper than ever).
    Ughh..... WM went back to this political nonsense?

    They got a lot of blowback about 3 or 4 years ago from the Global Warming segment & havent stuffed one down our throats since that time, so I had assumed they'd listened.
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    It wasn't as bad as I'd seen before. They did a segment at Eldora Mountain in CO and had the founder (and sucker for hoaxes) of Protect Our Winters do a little segment.

    Meanwhile the entire movie was deep ass powder worldwide, so IDK.

    The movie was very stereotypical hipster BS, 100% powder and big mountain skiing besides a couple brief segments.

    Kind of reinforced why I love Eastern skiing. There was literally zero skiing like Eastern trees or even Japanese glades. They had some dude from Vermont skiing in BC and made fun of a chunk of ice calling it "this is what we call packed powder back east "

    To me one big ass steep powder slope with no trees looks like all the others. I think they could have replaced the Parasail-ski segment (or whatever its called when you ski with a parachute and fly down the mountain) with more realistic skiing like moguls, tight woods, sketchy conditions, rocks and ice, etc.

    I'm pretty sure Whiteface slides are Warren Miller worthy but I guess that's not what sells.

    Best part of the movie was the Glenn Plake segment on Ski Patrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    Nope. Unless you want to levy an accusation of culturally appropriating Ebonics?

    I just got an email from Stowe about Epic Day Passes. I checked it out. Non-holiday "4 pack" is $411.

    That got me thinking about some folks mentioning skiing as a "luxury" (and should be treated as such) in recent threads.

    To me this is completely against the root culture of skiing, although last night watching the Warren Miller movie and seeing a bunch of rich, white, no-job-having, hipster assholes act like they're some New Age Buddha of immaturity between skiing untracked heli powder, I realized the real ski bums are losing this battle.

    Corporations want you to look up to these model-esque, constantly laughing, bums with all their Helly Hanson gear and extreme image... don't forget the mandatory climate change segment while these hypocrites are driving and flying all over the world to ski exclusive lines (and the snow is deeper than ever).

    More power to the Indy Pass and the little guys. Bolton for $49 or Stowe for $130 is a really easy choice for me.

    I used to do as much backpacking as skiing, so I guess I have the mindset that the mountains really belong to everyone, as a gift from our Creator, and we ought to be good stewards as such. Certainly not make it an exclusive (ie expensive) club to participate as such.

    Imagine if prices went down, we'd actually have room to open a few new ski resorts in New England. I can think of a few good mountains and it would be my dream to cut those trails!
    good sentiment - agree - you'll never see another resort cut with the legal hurdles in courts - but 1st you'd need demand -

    I've been hiking/climbing for 40 years and bc for 10 - far more cars and people in the woods than ever before - price? Maybe. Solitude? Maybe. satisfaction of accomplishment? Absolutely.

    BTW - I had to call out Plake as I cut off to Lions Head Trail maybe 6 or 7 years ago - recognized him w hat on but hair hanging out on side of the hat - he had no skis on his back. I just had to. . .and he skampered up Tuckerman Trail without a word.

    2 hours later he BLEW past me on Little Headwall - yeah well , if I had a sherpa I coulda kept up with you!. . . Sure, I believe it. . . . .. NOT.

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    The WM movies in general have really gone downhill (no pun intended) since Clan Miller's departure some years ago. The overt product placement has grown out-of-control to the point where entire "segments" have nothing to do with skiing or snowboarding, but are merely an excuse to show off a product. The most ridiculous example of that being a travel camper in a recent year's film. WM would never have tolerated politics in his films either.

    Agree about the skiing too, would it KILL them to do more eastern stuff? Even one segment every 2 years would be nice. Really the films have become just so "rinse-repeat" each year, gee, I wonder if they're going to use the same 2 helicopter companies (Mike Wiegele Heli & I forget the other one) for the 950th year in a row? I may not even make it this year, if I do I think it will be the first WM film I miss in about 15 years.
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    No more WM for us. The 2017 movie was complete shit. The 2015 one was good, but the product placement, complete douchiness, and lack of quality in the 2017 one has turned me off for good. Not to mention the incessant Emails I get from them pushing the movie and other crap.


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    Yes they suck lately ...ok for a while but I simply go for the free stuff and a night out with the family . It's kind of tradition ,But I wince through some segments . I literally close my eyes through some parts as the maximum 3 second scene changes bug me. They seem to try to cram too many locations into a short period .

    Is there a competing organization out there? There is a market as the producers have gotten lazy .
    Groundhog day lets go skiing !

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    Last years wasn't as bad as some of the previous years as they did a long segment on Warren himself as a tribute to him after he had died in January.
    The placement of the motorcycle and trailer commercials are hard to watch.
    As SBSP mentioned above I also go for the free stuff and a night out with the family. Although my wife has now said she hates going to see people ski at places we will never ski at for the most part. She says she hates going so I could bring my girlfriend instead (joke).
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