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  1. #81
    i know and have skied most of those zones, but i'd be happy to receive your map by PM if you dont mind

    DHS shared some sweet stowe intel via PM to me a few years back which is what allowed me to branch out a bit without a guide. thanks for that bud

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    I think I'll look into a guide. Stowe Adventure Guides looks promising. I really need to get better in the woods. Eastern woods..I seem to do well everywhere else in the trees.
    Lets go!
    I'll drive.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyr View Post
    It's not a big deal to me as the side country at Stowe is a tracked out open secret anyway but I can post a link to a map of all of Stowe's well known side country if it's ok with the administrators here. So many people know about those areas already that it's kind of ridiculous that the runs aren't just added to the official trail map.

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    Not to diss DHS, he and some others prefer the sidecountry remain locals-only or for those who figure it out on their own.

    Personally never felt that way. Powder days are powder days, that's the great equalizer. Stowe has so many well-known (off map) trails, trees, chutes, riverbeds and stashes it's unreal.

    I understand why Stowe/VAIL wouldn't want to add these to a super high detail version of their trail map, calling them either <><> or <><><> runs. But let's be real, there are signs in the woods letting you know where some of these things are. It's not much of a secret and my feeling is, if anyone dedicates enough of their life to waste time on AlpineZone, they should have access to the Treasure Maps.

    As DHS stated there is no rule against this. Go for it. I think we should do this for literally every ski area. I'm happy to help crowd-source. I've posted photos of Tomba's Chute and Angel Food from last year, do you think I'm worried it would get skied out? It's already skied out ... unless it's a powder day, everyone knows this stuff already. Why should AlpineZone remain in the dark, I assume most people here like to ski and are good at it.

    People are paranoid that someone is going to snowboard horizontally down their secret stash. We're talking Stowe here.... if you can't get a fresh line skiers left off the Gondola than it's your own fault.

    Information age is here, time to evolve. To me it's not somehow superior to be expected to ask people physically on the mountain where the stashes are, and hope they tell you, instead of what should be the modern formula of expert skiers sharing this information freely. Again I don't think AlpineZone is populated by Jerrys.

    BTW I think this would be a pretty popular idea having crowdsourced trailmaps organized. Might fit in better to the NortheastMountainSports format though.
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  4. #84
    Stowe - Underappreciated by some.

    Have made Stowe my local mtn for the past 2 yrs with Epic. Will gladly drive from NJ for the 2100' TTB skiing on continual fall line slopes at Stowe. Usually stay at Spruce (non skier wife loves it) and ski Mon - Thurs, avoiding the crowds and getting to ski in near solitude. Love falling out of bed and onto the lifts each morning! Have come to really appreciate the Sensation quad to start or end the day. Never have waited for that chair and can get a lot of runs in a few hours. Haven't ventured too far off map and into the trees while skiing solo, but will follow the occasional locals that I meet on the lifts.

    Only negative is Liftline snowmaking may be on full tilt Mon - Weds to recover from weekends, but there's enough options to avoid getting blasted on the FourRunner.

  5. #85
    First time in my life I've ever heard Stowe's trail system called, "bland"; it would be my choice for #1 trail system in the east.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    Not to diss DHS, he and some others prefer the sidecountry remain locals-only or for those who figure it out on their own.

    Personally never felt that way. Powder days are powder days, that's the great equalizer. Stowe has so many well-known (off map) trails, trees, chutes, riverbeds and stashes it's unreal.

    I understand why Stowe/VAIL wouldn't want to add these to a super high detail version of their trail map, calling them either <><> or <><><> runs. But let's be real, there are signs in the woods letting you know where some of these things are. It's not much of a secret and my feeling is, if anyone dedicates enough of their life to waste time on AlpineZone, they should have access to the Treasure Maps.

    As DHS stated there is no rule against this. Go for it. I think we should do this for literally every ski area. I'm happy to help crowd-source. I've posted photos of Tomba's Chute and Angel Food from last year, do you think I'm worried it would get skied out? It's already skied out ... unless it's a powder day, everyone knows this stuff already. Why should AlpineZone remain in the dark, I assume most people here like to ski and are good at it.

    People are paranoid that someone is going to snowboard horizontally down their secret stash. We're talking Stowe here.... if you can't get a fresh line skiers left off the Gondola than it's your own fault.

    Information age is here, time to evolve. To me it's not somehow superior to be expected to ask people physically on the mountain where the stashes are, and hope they tell you, instead of what should be the modern formula of expert skiers sharing this information freely. Again I don't think AlpineZone is populated by Jerrys.

    BTW I think this would be a pretty popular idea having crowdsourced trailmaps organized. Might fit in better to the NortheastMountainSports format though.
    what's the big deal with sharing it privately?

    I view it this way. AZ is an online community. Those who participate and interact can share in a wealth of knowledge on this forum. I've done so privately numerous times with Stowe and Wildcat over the years. I do so in person where I ski as well. Chat me up on a chair or at the bar and I'll show you what I know


    You are out of your f'n mind with the crowd sourced high resolution map. Putting stuff out in public on a forum or even worse, on an actual published map causes things to become tracked out faster in a big way. I moved to Stowe in 95. Back then the only trees on the map were Nose Dive woods and Tres Amigos. I skied there 100 days that season and through my own exploration found the vast majority of the goods. That's also how I found most of the trees at Wildcat before they got put on the map. Though at least Wildcat doesn't name them or mark the entrances.

    Fast forward to 2003 I believe? Then some asshat in marketing at Stowe decided to put all of the in bounds locally developed trees on the map. I actually know him well and have shared beers and turns with him many times back in the day. Nice guy. He was tasked with growing the business at the mountain. He said people go elsewhere because the trail count of 48 makes it seem smaller than a place like Sunapee to the uninformed recreational skiers. Over night Stowe went from the great 48 to the comical 116 or whatever it is now. With that change now it all gets mostly tracked out the day of a storm. Back before then you could find a lot of untracked 3-4 days after the storm.

    And truthfully it's not really about hording powder. It's about preserving the treasure hunting experience New England tree skiing used to be all about. Skiing along the trails and looking for openings that leads to new discoveries. Sometimes taking that risk has amazing payoffs. Other times you wind up in a dead end and having to bushwack out. I've had a ton of those over my skiing career. Spent sometimes up to two hours getting myself out of bad lines. You curse the whole way then laugh about it at the bar.

    So, yes, I'm 100% against spoon feeding the masses beta. I feel that way about skiing the way some people feel about "participation trophies." Terrain knowledge is something you earn. You should learn it through exploration or befriending others; not via a spoon.

    Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app

  7. #87
    I’d definitely agree that the spirit of adventure, exploration and discovery has somewhat vanished in today’s information overload society.

  8. #88
    The same has happened with fishing as well (Cape Cod Canal & monster breeder bass). People cant seem to keep their mouth's/cameras shut

  9. #89
    There's also those exercise & outdoors apps that track where you go that's let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag on previously, relatively unknown woods as well.
    President - Bicknell's Thrush Extermination Solutions (BTES), LLC



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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    First time in my life I've ever heard Stowe's trail system called, "bland"; it would be my choice for #1 trail system in the east.
    Many of us remember when Stowe proudly only had 48 trails


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