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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post


    So, yes, I'm 100% against spoon feeding the masses beta. I feel that way about skiing the way some people feel about "participation trophies." Terrain knowledge is something you earn. You should learn it through exploration or befriending others; not via a spoon.



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    Who needs a map when this guy "Weatherman" has already provided pictures and all kinds of info in the "Beyond the trails" section of his Stowe guide:

  2. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    what's the big deal with sharing it privately?
    First thing that comes to mind is that it places you (or someone else with that knowledge and mindset) as the dispenser of knowledge to anyone you come across (in person or via internet) that you deem acceptable to share that knowledge with.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    what's the big deal with sharing it privately?
    I view it this way. AZ is an online community. Those who participate and interact can share in a wealth of knowledge on this forum. I've done so privately numerous times with Stowe and Wildcat over the years. I do so in person where I ski as well. Chat me up on a chair or at the bar and I'll show you what I know
    OK but I go skiing to ski and I waste as little time at the bar as possible. Consider that not everyone approaches skiing or considers ski-culture in the exact same manner. Also consider that this is an exclusive attitude when we are hopefully trying to include more people to enjoy the sport. Maybe some newcomers are already bored with groomers and want to explore, but for whatever reason they haven't been invited to share the goods?

    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    You are out of your f'n mind with the crowd sourced high resolution map. Putting stuff out in public on a forum or even worse, on an actual published map causes things to become tracked out faster in a big way. I moved to Stowe in 95. Back then the only trees on the map were Nose Dive woods and Tres Amigos. I skied there 100 days that season and through my own exploration found the vast majority of the goods. That's also how I found most of the trees at Wildcat before they got put on the map. Though at least Wildcat doesn't name them or mark the entrances.
    I've seen plenty of guides on other forums. Wouldn't quite say "out of my mind" but yes it's debatable.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    Fast forward to 2003 I believe? Then some asshat in marketing at Stowe decided to put all of the in bounds locally developed trees on the map. I actually know him well and have shared beers and turns with him many times back in the day. Nice guy. He was tasked with growing the business at the mountain. He said people go elsewhere because the trail count of 48 makes it seem smaller than a place like Sunapee to the recreational skiers. Over night Stowe went from the great 48 to the comical 116 or whatever it is now. With that change now it all gets mostly tracked out the day of a storm. Back before then you could find a lot of untracked 3-4 days after the storm.
    Those trail counts made zero difference in how anybody skied or now skis the resort. I'm not saying put Angel Food on the map, but trying to say in 2019 it's still a hidden stash is kind of laughable in term of reality on the hill.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    And truthfully it's not really about hording powder. It's about preserving the treasure hunting experience New England tree skiing used to be all about. Skiing along the trails and looking for openings that leads to new discoveries. Sometimes taking that risk has amazing payoffs. Other times you wind up in a dead end and having to bushwack out. I've had a ton of those over my skiing career. Spenot sometimes up to two hours getting myself out of bad lines. You curse the whole way then laugh about it at the bar.
    You can access harder terrain from the lift at several resorts in New England compared to Stowe. Everyone knows there is stuff at Stowe above the lifts and between the trails. Most of it's not even that technical. This is what "advanced skiers" these days seek out. Who am I to say I deserve to ski it more than some asshole who drove 8 hours from New York City. What if I have to drive 3 hours and only get to ski there 2x a year? I don't get to know anything in that case?

    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    So, yes, I'm 100% against spoon feeding the masses beta. I feel that way about skiing the way some people feel about "participation trophies." Terrain knowledge is something you earn. You should learn it through exploration or befriending others; not via a spoon.
    I sort of agree if it's for safety sake and discouraging people from skiing thin terrain, etc. But I don't think AlpineZone audience is "the masses". We probably represent the relative "elite", at least those who can stomach participation on these forums.
    2019/2020 season [*powder day]

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24] Bretton Woods [1/3] Gunstock [1/2] Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2*] Wachusett [12/16]

  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by WWF-VT View Post
    Many of us remember when Stowe proudly only had 48 trails
    Yup. In the early 90’s they advertised that they didn’t need to play the upper-lower naming game to boost their trail count, they had quality too to bottom runs and it separated them from the competition. When I first saw that they changed their tune years ago I felt disappointed.

  4. #94
    Tuna you are flat out wrong about the between trail tree traffic once all of those trees were put on the map. I lived it. Night and day. Stowe was home for many years. After it happened the joke among locals in town went something like this

    "What did you ski today?"

    "I spent all day lapping fresh powder on Starr while everyone was busy tracking out the trees."

    I don't think you'd find a single long time, regular Stowe skier who was/is happy about all the trees they put on the map.

    And if you only ski there twice a year, then do some exploring. Have a sense of adventure. Don't expect people to spoon feed you where the good stuff is. I haven't skied Magic for probably 20 years. I intend to get there this winter and won't be seeking advice from anyone. I look forward to discovering what I can on my own.



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  5. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    Tuna you are flat out wrong about the between trail tree traffic once all of those trees were put on the map. I lived it. Night and day. Stowe was home for many years. After it happened the joke among locals in town went something like this

    "What did you ski today?"

    "I spent all day lapping fresh powder on Starr while everyone was busy tracking out the trees."

    I don't think you'd find a single long time, regular Stowe skier who was/is happy about all the trees they put on the map.

    And if you only ski there twice a year, then do some exploring. Have a sense of adventure. Don't expect people to spoon feed you where the good stuff is. I haven't skied Magic for probably 20 years. I intend to get there this winter and won't be seeking advice from anyone. I look forward to discovering what I can on my own.



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    I'm sure you're right on the aspects you reference. I have no first hand knowledge going back as far as you do.

    Skied there a few times as a kid and then again pretty reliable on Ski Vermont passes (usually I got 2). So I'm probably at a dozen visits.

    So that said believe me I explore and am usually on a mission when I head to certain ski areas, like Stowe, in general. I think I'm pretty proficient in terms of sidecountry exporation even as a mainly-solo skier. What you can learn on YouTube and by searching DuckDuckGo is pretty remarkable.

    Anyway wish you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving!
    2019/2020 season [*powder day]

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24] Bretton Woods [1/3] Gunstock [1/2] Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2*] Wachusett [12/16]

  6. #96
    Happy Thanksgiving to you as well Tuna!

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  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Zand View Post
    This one will piss people off, but I'd also put in Mt Ellen as overrated. Always seems much colder and icier than South. North Ridge is the only lift worth skiing over there. Sure, there's no crowds but that's the only thing that is better than South. Speaking of crowds, I've never waited in a line at Heaven's Gate or Valley House and both have tremendous terrain.
    I ski both LP and ME quite a bit and never noticed the colder thing at all. Icier depends on the day and which way the wind is blowing (and which trails you hit). I've had times when LP was icy and ME was great and also vice versa. North Ridge also allows you to access the vast majority of the terrain at ME via a high speed lift (1700' of vertical). I think lapping that lift is something vastly underrated IMO.

    As for never having waited on a line at HG...that's impressive but not at all the norm on a mid-winter weekend unless you're there first thing when it opens. If HG never had a line I'd have no problems skiing that quite a few runs.

  8. #98
    I think North Ridge is the best chair at Sugarbush. It accesses the most terrain variety over the longest, most consistent vertical of either North or South. You can find it all off that lift. Bumps, trees, classic old school trails, good cruisers.

    Obviously other terrain pods have some very special terrain too, but when I skied SB frequently, North Ridge is where I'd almost always start my day lapping terrain before venturing elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KustyTheKlown View Post
    DHS shared some sweet stowe intel via PM to me a few years back which is what allowed me to branch out a bit without a guide. thanks for that bud
    DHS did the same for me my last trip to Wildcat. Also much appreciated.

  10. #100
    Dhs showed me some super fun stuff at wildcat a few years back. Some of that stuff could get pretty crazy...I feel like its better to go into some of those woods with someone that knows the routes vs reading a map online somewhere.

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