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    RFID with scanners vs automatic gates

    I'm wondering why places like Stowe use ticket scanners as opposed to an automatic gate that reads it. Seems very inefficient.

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    Did Stowe get rid of the Gates when they went Epic? I know Vail, Inc. uses hand scanners.
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    Yes, no gates. Seems ridiculous, unless they just want to employ some people.
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    all bullshit. Tickets + wickets was the winning combo. If ski areas are paranoid have a guy check them randomly.
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    From what I have heard on the hand scanners vs the gates.

    Gates: Pro's - simple, work under most circumstances
    Con's - still need to have a person there to help figure out why a bad scan or no scan happens and then often tell the person to get their RFID card from out behind their phone (or something similar) or to adjust the height of the pocket they have their RFID card in to allow it to be within the scanner reading height

    Guns: Pro's - direct interaction with the person with the RFID card if a false read happens, can make problem resolution happen quicker
    Con's: in theory slower than gate use, although some of that speed presumes that those using the gates are doing it properly (see loading conveyors as a prime example of how this doesn't always go as it's designed too )

    The reality is that even though there *should* be a system that is easy to use, reliable, and efficient at getting folks passes scanned to make sure that they should be riding that lift, the fact that human consumers of varying degree of "lift use intelligence" and/or the ability to follow the often clearly labeled instruction on how to properly use their RFID cards for lift access, makes that ideal system currently more of a dream than a reality..
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    But it works pretty well at K which gets some serious traffic. But no matter, it employs some people from around the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    all bullshit. Tickets + wickets was the winning combo. If ski areas are paranoid have a guy check them randomly.
    I'm with you Tuna! I really wonder about the return on investment of the newer technology.

    Gates are stressful and slow down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjeff View Post
    Con's - still need to have a person there to help figure out why a bad scan or no scan happens and then often tell the person to get their RFID card from out behind their phone (or something similar) or to adjust the height of the pocket they have their RFID card in to allow it to be within the scanner reading height

    ... the fact that human consumers of varying degree of ... the ability to follow the often clearly labeled instruction on how to properly use their RFID cards
    I was behind a bad scan last week, and whadaya know, the attendant came over, asked to see the RFID card, and he had 2 in his sleeve pocket. How does this basic information not get out there?

    There should be a scanner by the ticket booth for the public to test their card and card placement before venturing onto the mountain.

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    Gates: once installed, no more expense.

    Human scanner: on-going cost of the wages.

    When a bad scan happens on a gate, it hold up everyone behind the line. Then, everyone who already passed the other gates will also stop to wait for their buddy stuck in the stopped gate. Chairs start to go up empty.

    With human scanners, people simply move around it.

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    The funny part about this tech is it's halfway between NYC subway turnstiles and EZ-Pass on the highway.

    In 5 years the pricier resorts will install "Express Lane" for the IKON/EPIC members to ski right onto the moving-carpet high speed six-pack lat 10 MPH.

    Those who pay the $189 walk up rate will have to join the "general corral" (aka the shitshow).

    By this time, consumer oriented drones will have enough battery power and lift to begin operating rouge "Heli-Skiing" facilities, bypassing lifts altogether. That will be the golden age of skiing.
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