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    Quote Originally Posted by eastern powder baby View Post
    I hear you. In full disclosure, I'd be much happier with less oscillation between poles than what we have. Give me a rotation of Bloomberg and Romney types any day. There are a number of factors that go into it here.

    The primary system encourages policians to focus on their bases which pull conversations further to the left/right than necessary.

    Our third parties are either farther away from center (Green), or getting way too theoretical and losing the forest through the trees (Libertarian). Both run D-level candidates because that's likely the best they can do.

    The media doesn't help. Fox cracked the code that you make more money if you keep your viewers riled up and watching longer. MSNBC and CNN followed suit. Those "newsrooms" are rife with hacks and Americans are right not to trust them.

    Social media has certainly made it worse. I assume that can be said everywhere though.

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    Part of my fascination is with the absence of a third 'middle-ground' party. It's not clear to me why the emergence of a third credible is so complex in the US. The polarization is so great that it's also my understanding that most US citizen will vote GOP or Democrats for their entire life. In Canada, most people I know have at one point voted Conservative, Liberals and NDP. Heck, it's not uncommon to vote Conservative at the Federal level and Liberal at the Provincial elections a fw months later.

    As to medias, I do watch CNN and FOX but exclusively for entertainment purposes. They are both covering alternate realities. Really fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbrissette View Post
    Part of my fascination is with the absence of a third 'middle-ground' party. It's not clear to me why the emergence of a third credible is so complex in the US. The polarization is so great that it's also my understanding that most US citizen will vote GOP or Democrats for their entire life. In Canada, most people I know have at one point voted Conservative, Liberals and NDP. Heck, it's not uncommon to vote Conservative at the Federal level and Liberal at the Provincial elections a fw months later.

    As to medias, I do watch CNN and FOX but exclusively for entertainment purposes. They are both covering alternate realities. Really fascinating.
    I fail to understand either how we have yet to come up with a "centrist" party of some sort (actually the real answer on why is probably too much money involved from both the far left and far right to let it happen). I guarantee there are many people (including myself) that would be right there voting for that party a good chunk of the time.

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    Count me in on the centrist ideal. I hate the choices I have to make. Fiscal concerns are my top priority and alignment to Republican ideals in this topic currently seals me into this side. I hate it though because when it comes to social issues (personal liberty type things, not entitlement programs), I am diametrically opposed to the GOO religious conservatism ways (I take the NH motto to heart!). I'd like a party that blends these two ideals but that just doesn't exist as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I fail to understand either how we have yet to come up with a "centrist" party of some sort (actually the real answer on why is probably too much money involved from both the far left and far right to let it happen). I guarantee there are many people (including myself) that would be right there voting for that party a good chunk of the time.
    Bloomberg? His NYC mayor record is a fiscal conservative and social liberal.



    (but he chose to run as a D )

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    I find the "isidewith.com" website always interesting. Based on your answer to various issues, it will show you how well you align with different candidates and show you where you fall on the overall ideological spectrum (I'm a "right leaning libertarian centrist"). Not uncommon for the "top" candidate that most closely aligns to my values to only be at around 60-65% or so in common with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I find the "isidewith.com" website always interesting. Based on your answer to various issues, it will show you how well you align with different candidates and show you where you fall on the overall ideological spectrum (I'm a "right leaning libertarian centrist"). Not uncommon for the "top" candidate that most closely aligns to my values to only be at around 60-65% or so in common with me.
    I presume I would come out similarly. Will need to check this out.

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    https://www.politicalcompass.org/ is another good one which IMO shows more relevant political polarities, "Economic Left vs Economic Right" and also "Authoritarian vs Libertarian" tendencies on the Left and Right.

    on this test I place just slightly right and slightly libertarian, but for all practical purposes a bullseye on being a "moderate".

    Which makes sense as I'm an Independent and generally find partisanship annoying.

    That said I'm a pretty big fan of Trump and the policies of his administration. I think Trump and MAGA populism already represents a "3rd party". At least this is leading to a reform of the Republican party, which is no longer controlled by Neocons.

    So the political re-alignment is happening. Leaving us with 3 primary groups:

    NeoCons and NeoLiberals: Now finding they agree with each other in continuing to sabotage the country for the sake of globalism and criminality.

    Socialists/Anarchists: Fortunately the smallest group, but large enough to screw over the Dems and cause a party split

    MAGA Populists: Anti-globalist conservatives, libertarians, moderates and classical liberals tired of the excesses of recent "liberalism" and now joined together in the largest coalition
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    https://www.politicalcompass.org/ is another good one which IMO shows more relevant political polarities, "Economic Left vs Economic Right" and also "Authoritarian vs Libertarian" tendencies on the Left and Right.

    on this test I place just slightly right and slightly libertarian, but for all practical purposes a bullseye on being a "moderate".

    Which makes sense as I'm an Independent and generally find partisanship annoying.

    That said I'm a pretty big fan of Trump and the policies of his administration. I think Trump and MAGA populism already represents a "3rd party". At least this is leading to a reform of the Republican party, which is no longer controlled by Neocons.

    So the political re-alignment is happening. Leaving us with 3 primary groups:

    NeoCons and NeoLiberals: Now finding they agree with each other in continuing to sabotage the country for the sake of globalism and criminality.

    Socialists/Anarchists: Fortunately the smallest group, but large enough to screw over the Dems and cause a party split

    MAGA Populists: Anti-globalist conservatives, libertarians, moderates and classical liberals tired of the excesses of recent "liberalism" and now joined together in the largest coalition
    Way adrift if the topic, but he doesn't fit well into the classical US buckets despite the desire to label him as far right and overtly Republican. He's much more interventionalist in the economy than the Romney/Ryan archetypes. Also, he can't seem to figure out if he's isolationist or not. Same can be said for criminal justice. On one hand, he's "law and order" in others, he's working to shorten sentences with the Kardashians. I guess that's what we get when we don't have idealogues in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastern powder baby View Post
    Way adrift if the topic, but he doesn't fit well into the classical US buckets despite the desire to label him as far right and overtly Republican. He's much more interventionalist in the economy than the Romney/Ryan archetypes. Also, he can't seem to figure out if he's isolationist or not. Same can be said for criminal justice. On one hand, he's "law and order" in others, he's working to shorten sentences with the Kardashians. I guess that's what we get when we don't have idealogues in office.
    Trump isn't any 'ism' because he doesn't know what he's doing.

    He does what makes the biggest headline.

    Whether it's good or bad for the country, now or down the road, doesn't appear to concern him.

    He's not that bad. If you read all the comments right here in this thread, you see a lot of people who can point out what's wrong with our current situation (economical or social), but their solution wouldn't work. That's Trump.

    The fact people want to elect such a know-nothing guy to be the president is a lot more worrisome to me than Donald Trump the guy getting a second term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    Trump isn't any 'ism' because he doesn't know what he's doing.
    Transparently false statement to say a man with a life of high success, now President, with economy way up, no new wars, and looking likely to wipe the floor with any opponent in 2020 "doesn't know what he's doing".

    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    The fact people want to elect such a know-nothing guy to be the president is a lot more worrisome to me than Donald Trump the guy getting a second term.
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