Kudo's to Hunter (Really Vail)

So Inclined · Mar 1, 2020

asnowmobiler said:
It looks like it could be an awesome trail really let it rip, Super G style.

You'd better also build the helipad right at the bottom of the West side lift for all the daily Medevac flights to Albany, if Hunter skiers and riders were to go do that down Westway (as is) in numbers.

catskillman · Mar 2, 2020

So Inclined said:
You'd better also build the helipad right at the bottom of the West side lift for all the daily Medevac flights to Albany, if Hunter skiers and riders were to go do that down Westway (as is) in numbers.

you are so right!!! BUT for years and to this day, if you get hurt over there, they load you in the back of an SUV and take you on a 4 mile bumpy ride to the ski patrol area in the base lodge.

Trust me I know on this,... horrible situation

tnt1234 · Dec 12, 2020

When is the last time Westway was open?

tnt1234 · Dec 12, 2020

KustyTheKlown said:
no way a vail property outlasts k and river.

I think Stowe could have a shot at it, but they just would have any business.

ss20 · Dec 12, 2020

tnt1234 said:
I think Stowe could have a shot at it, but they just would have any business.

I doubt it. What trail would you push for?

As it's been discussed....Superstar at Killington was literally built for the late-season game. There's no other trail in the northeast that has that kind of setup. Perfect exposure, very wide, little snow wasted going to/from chairlift, high base elevation (pretty sure K1 lodge is the highest elevation of a base area in VT at 2,400ish feet). Then throw in the the access road, bar at the base, and all the extra hydrants K put in for World Cup. Heck they even re-graded the bottom a couple off seasons ago so the infamous "S" wouldn't appear (in theory).

Another resort could put in a whole bunch of $$$ and re-create that somewhere else but it'd never be the same. K has been the late season leader in the East, undisputed, for 30 years. Even when K wasn't the last game in town 2008ish-2014ish (dates very fuzzy on me, early POWDR days) no one pushed as hard as K had been (or is back to doing now). No one could pounce on that opportunity and take that market and run with it to profitability til Memorial Day.

cdskier · Dec 12, 2020

ss20 said:
K has been the late season leader in the East, undisputed, for 30 years. Even when K wasn't the last game in town 2008ish-2014ish (dates very fuzzy on me, early POWDR days) no one pushed as hard as K had been (or is back to doing now).

That's not entirely true...

In 2008 a pretty big deal was made by SB about being open later than K...there were shirts printed and everything...Granted they still didn't push to go later than early May, but it made for some nice marketing hype for a year or so.

K really does have an ideal situation with Superstar though as long as they want to take advantage of it. Those few years where they didn't try were just bizarre (and rightly recognized as a mistake).

machski · Dec 13, 2020

cdskier said:
That's not entirely true...

In 2008 a pretty big deal was made by SB about being open later than K...there were shirts printed and everything...Granted they still didn't push to go later than early May, but it made for some nice marketing hype for a year or so.

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K really does have an ideal situation with Superstar though as long as they want to take advantage of it. Those few years where they didn't try were just bizarre (and rightly recognized as a mistake).

That was also when Sugarloaf went into May (I think they pushed into mid May) and happy took the King of Spring Crown and anointed themselves with it. Of course, they couldn't draw the late season crowd like K can when they came back to the game.

So Inclined · Dec 13, 2020

tnt1234 said:
When is the last time Westway was open?

Pretty sure the last time was late season 2018 thanks to a March dumping.
Here it is, open but with thin cover warnings (it was, but not unskiably so) on 3/18/18.

kingslug · Dec 13, 2020

I was on it the last time it opened. just a ribbon ice with some hardpack. I have seen people try to ski near the towers but its too rocky and a fall would not be good. Wish they would just cut it in half and make it a trail again.

RichT · Dec 13, 2020

A couple dozen evergreens would work wonders!

da-bum · Dec 14, 2020

asnowmobiler said:
It looks like it could be an awesome trail really let it rip, Super G style.

That's how I rember skiing that trail, on the one season where they had complete top to bottom coverage and grooming. It was like 5 big turns and you are at the bottom.

kingslug · Dec 14, 2020

I was on it during the superstorm 10 years ago...you could barley move it was so deep. Then it turned into the biggest monster mogul field I have ever seen...

andrec10 · Dec 14, 2020

da-bum said:
That's how I rember skiing that trail, on the one season where they had complete top to bottom coverage and grooming. It was like 5 big turns and you are at the bottom.

5 big turns if you were on SG skis doing 80MPH. Doubtful you could handle that.

kingslug · Dec 14, 2020

The beginning section is easy..then it just drops..like over 30 degree drop..I think it touches 38 for a small bit then eases off. I would not want to hit that GS style. I've been on it many times in the past and a fall means your going to the bottom.

da-bum · Dec 14, 2020

kingslug said:
I was on it during the superstorm 10 years ago...you could barley move it was so deep. Then it turned into the biggest monster mogul field I have ever seen...

Yeah, the last time I was there was on some superstorm, had to lean back like I was sitting on a chair, just so that the tip wouldn't sink in, but then comes time to turn.... Not a good idea to try on GS skis.

andrec10 said:
5 big turns if you were on SG skis doing 80MPH. Doubtful you could handle that.

I wasn't on super G skis, nor was I in a full tuck, so I doubt I was that fast. Back then, Shaped skis were 30m radius, so super G radius just required moderate angulation of the skis.

dmort · Dec 14, 2020

ss20 said:
I doubt it. What trail would you push for?

As it's been discussed....Superstar at Killington was literally built for the late-season game. There's no other trail in the northeast that has that kind of setup. Perfect exposure, very wide, little snow wasted going to/from chairlift, high base elevation (pretty sure K1 lodge is the highest elevation of a base area in VT at 2,400ish feet). Then throw in the the access road, bar at the base, and all the extra hydrants K put in for World Cup. Heck they even re-graded the bottom a couple off seasons ago so the infamous "S" wouldn't appear (in theory).

Another resort could put in a whole bunch of $$$ and re-create that somewhere else but it'd never be the same. K has been the late season leader in the East, undisputed, for 30 years. Even when K wasn't the last game in town 2008ish-2014ish (dates very fuzzy on me, early POWDR days) no one pushed as hard as K had been (or is back to doing now). No one could pounce on that opportunity and take that market and run with it to profitability til Memorial Day.

I think superstar is a great trail! When. I was a kids coach, taking 6 year olds up the super star quad was a great move, plenty of capable skiers to help and then you head of the back way.

angiemarsh · Feb 20, 2021

cdskier said:
That's not entirely true...

In 2008 a pretty big deal was made by SB about being open later than K...there were shirts printed and everything from rebeliation which has high quality clothes ...Granted they still didn't push to go later than early May, but it made for some nice marketing hype for a year or so.

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K really does have an ideal situation with Superstar though as long as they want to take advantage of it. Those few years where they didn't try were just bizarre (and rightly recognized as a mistake).

yes, it's true that superstar has the advantage of it. Of course, they couldn't draw the late-season crowd like K can when they came back to the game.

PAabe · Feb 21, 2021

RichT said:
A couple dozen evergreens would work wonders!

Looks like a job for the Elk Mountain Landscaping Corporation

Ski2LiveLive2Ski · Feb 21, 2021

danimals said:
Current state of westway.

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Got skis tangled in some of those saplings in a fall when it was open a couple weeks ago - had to break them by hand to get out.
A bunch of borders were poaching it with greater success yesterday.

eatskisleep · Feb 21, 2021

Ski2LiveLive2Ski said:
Got skis tangled in some of those saplings in a fall when it was open a couple weeks ago - had to break them by hand to get out.
A bunch of borders were poaching it with greater success yesterday.

Any current pics of the trail?

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