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    Quote Originally Posted by skiur View Post
    It isn't illegal to drink on the street in VT. NY it is, I don't know about NH or ME.
    Damn - that's good to know.... Hopefully Vail will loosen their no open container rules. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpylong View Post
    In the case of Killington at least, there are ~20 other lifts to ride if one is uncomfortable.
    This is the main point. I rarely use the gondola and just won't at all this coming season.



    I only use the gondi to get to the summit lodge for lunch. So I'll just skip getting lunch there this season and bring lunch to eat in my car.

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    There is a major point everyone seems to be missing. The 20-30 somethings are going to screw up whatever plan b is put in place. They refuse to follow rules that are already in place and guaranteed they will do the same come ski season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    So while you're skiing you wear a full medical face shield with an N95 or N100 mask?

    I guess drjeff will be easy to pick out on the slopes.

    On a serious note, I'm not even sure I understand what you're saying here. You DONT think a gondy is a COVID19 risk? Am I reading that correctly?
    For perspective BG, the CDC has changed its guidance for what I do for a living, with respect to a few key items involved in this conversation, that gives some relevance which I think can be hypothesized currently into what ski area ops may look like this winter, if things don't drastically get worse.

    #1 - even in the "high risk" environment that I work in, with aerosols being generated directly into and out of the oral cavity, and in close proximity to the oral cavity, no longer is the guidance that myself or my staff has to wear an N95 or higher mask. I am wearing a regular surgical mask while working just like I wear when I go into a store to get groceries or something similar.

    #2 The CDC about 3 weeks ago, changed its guidance for room disinfection after aerosol generating procedures. It had been to disinfectant all surfaces and then leave undisturbed for 15 minutes before bringing the next patient in, now it is just like it was all along pre COVID-19, which is disinfect all surfaces and then you are immediately free to bring the next patient into the room if you want to.

    As science learns more and more about the nuisances of COVID-19 it seems to be showing that it can be effectively prevented transmission wise with simpler face coverings than originally thought, and out on exposed surfaces, it is easier to neutralize than originally speculated.

    Now if it is able to populate ones oral cavity and throat past a certain quantity (which seems to vary greatly depending on a slew of factors from age, concentrated exposure time, underlying co-morbidities, etc) then that can be a serious issue for some, but certainly not all.

    Would I want to be riding in a gondola or bubble chair with someone showing multiple symptoms? Nope. Would I feel comfortable riding a gondola or bubble chair while wearing a mask and someone who isn't showing any symptoms, even if they happen to be COVID-19 positive? Probably. Since the reality is while to my knowledge I haven't worked on anyone as of yet who was confirmed to be COVID-19 positive, the reality is that I more than likely have, and as of about 10 days ago, I am still testing negative for COVID-19.

    I fully get that this disease process does scare many people. And that's OK, and for some, very appropriate. My own personal experiences in a high risk environment for communicable disease transmission for the past 25yrs has taught me to trust the precautions and continually practice them and that the risk to myself if I follow those things is very low. Life isn't a zero risk thing, and everyone has their own comfort levels with various risks that we encounter every day.

    If the data shows that even if I do contract COVID-19 that there is roughly a 99% chance that I will recover, that's a risk I am comfortable with. That's just my own feeling, and I fully understand that others have their own, different feelings as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by prsboogie View Post
    There is a major point everyone seems to be missing. The 20-30 somethings are going to screw up whatever plan b is put in place. They refuse to follow rules that are already in place and guaranteed they will do the same come ski season.

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    I am just waiting for something akin to any bar that can still be open will restrict entrance to just those 40 and over!! Lol!!

    Not that that would stop the seemingly significant spikes around the country in the 20 somethings right now, just shift where the infections happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by prsboogie View Post
    There is a major point everyone seems to be missing. The 20-30 somethings are going to screw up whatever plan b is put in place. They refuse to follow rules that are already in place and guaranteed they will do the same come ski season.

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    while it does seen the 20-30 yo's are causing issues, I notice a lot of older people refusing to use face masks - around my town it seems to be the very right leaning people. I am not a Republican nor a democrat I am more libertarian (left socially but right fiscally - do what you want as long as it doesn't effect me physically or financially).
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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by drjeff View Post

    Would I want to be riding in a gondola or bubble chair with someone showing multiple symptoms? Nope. Would I feel comfortable riding a gondola or bubble chair while wearing a mask and someone who isn't showing any symptoms, even if they happen to be COVID-19 positive? Probably. Since the reality is while to my knowledge I haven't worked on anyone as of yet who was confirmed to be COVID-19 positive, the reality is that I more than likely have, and as of about 10 days ago, I am still testing negative for COVID-19.
    You made a lots of points that I agree with, mostly regarding the likely efficacy of mask use. Still, the conversation is solely regarding gondolas for skiing, and I'm just not seeing how what you're saying makes sense for the general public. Or why you scientifically think people wont get COVID19 from riding in a contaminated gondy car, which you didnt address.

    People arent going to be wearing an N95, N100, or even the loose-fitting, common, surgical masks that you're talking about while riding in a gondola. From the above, it's great that YOU personally apparently plan on doing so, but that's pretty much irrelevant regarding this subject given I doubt many others will.

    The other thing I'd disagree with you empirically about, which is statistically pretty easy to prove, is that's it is highly unlikely that you have (at this point) worked on a COVID19+ patient (less than a 1 in 75 chance for your geography as of yesterday). And likely far less than that given people who know they're sick today dont show up at the dentist (e.g. that 1 in 75 figure is biased towards the low end). Even adjusting downward for the much (hysterically) talked about asymptomatic carriers (e.g. which would bump that 1 in 75 figure towards a higher end) who may not know they're COVID19+ it's relatively low odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    while it does seen the 20-30 yo's are causing issues, I notice a lot of older people refusing to use face masks - around my town it seems to be the very right leaning people. I am not a Republican nor a democrat I am more libertarian (left socially but right fiscally - do what you want as long as it doesn't effect me physically or financially).
    There seems to be some people struggling with the warm temps and wearing a mask, I get that but for some others it's turning into a freedom of choice thing , I get that too .

    There's a mistrust in the people who are leaders . After all Fauci some time ago said not to wear a mask . Lots of Virus fatigue causing people to let there guard down . It's important to wear one yes but recently people who weren't wearing masks have been assaulted in public . That's way over the line .

    When doctors trying to discuss medicine are censored by a "public" forums comparisons are made to "Digitally burning books " ...Fuel for those who are distrustful to begin with .
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    Eh, anyone who refuses to wear one (given the empirical evidence that we ALL will be safer if we just suck it up and do it) should be made an example of. I wouldn't assault anyone but if I see someone in the store not wearing one (when the business requests that all customers wear them), I speak up. I am about as freedom loving and libertarian as the next guy but enough is enough, people need to stop with the "it's my right" BS. If you want to make it your right go buy an island or live in a cave, otherwise suck it up and it will all be over hopefully soon and meanwhile the most susceptible of our population will be more protected. No one has a right to make others sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siliconebobsquarepants View Post
    There's a mistrust in the people who are leaders . After all Fauci some time ago said not to wear a mask . Lots of Virus fatigue causing people to let there guard down . It's important to wear one yes but recently people who weren't wearing masks have been assaulted in public . That's way over the line .
    Fauci did in the very beginning say not to wear masks, mainly to keep masks in clinical settings where people treating patients with Covid needed them. They also didn't (and still don't) fully understand how and why this thing spreads and effects people.

    As far as people being assaulted, how about those non mask wearing individuals who bludgeoned a target worker because he asked someone to put on a mask? Who cares if its hot, you have to wear a mask. If you walk into a store without a shirt or shoes they tell you to leave, well now you need a mask too. Get over it. Take it off when you walk outside.

    Another piece of info, this shit about having medical conditions and not wearing masks is about as idiotic as an statement ever made. I you have a condition where you have "difficulty" breathing with a mask, you are exactly the person who needs to wear one. You would be someone at highest risk of dying from Covid. I have asthma and have to wear a mask 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week and while I don't like it, its much better to the alternative.


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