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Enhances social distancing...charge extra for that.
There's really no one size fits all answer to this. It really depends on what the product mix is that the restaurant is serving and the level of service provided.
I would say typical numbers for the full service restaurants I managed which leaned towards the fine dining segment of the industry or the catering operations in hotels I ran were something like this.
Operational profit margin of 10 - 18 %. So, that doesn't include rent, utilities, etc.
Beverage costs 22-28%. Sell a lot of draft beer and cheap liquor and costs are low. High end wines and costs are higher.
Food costs 25-34%. Sell a lot of pasta and costs are lower. Steaks costs are higher.
Labor costs 25-30%. Fine dining and higher end food skew higher. Banquets or more casual service restaurants - lower.
When I worked on the supply side in meat distribution, our company targeted a gross operational profit of roughly 12%. The distribution mark up on meats averaged about 33%
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One of the reasons that the fatality rate to cases are so high, they only test people that come to the hospital. Other reason of course is social distancing. But I've been talking about this since everything started to happen. This video is from April 27th
Is there concrete proof that herd immunity can be achieved?
Possibly and hopefully can happen. I guess we will find out.
On a personal note, my brothers live in fiance has tested positive. Her symptoms are mild, but it only started Monday. She got her test Tuesday and results yesterday. My brother now has the same symptoms and it is presumed he is positive as well. They are waiting to hear from his physician if he is eligible to be tested.
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Possibly and hopefully can happen. I guess we will find out.
On a personal note, my brothers live in fiance has tested positive. Her symptoms are mild, but it only started Monday. She got her test Tuesday and results yesterday. My brother now has the same symptoms and it is presumed he is positive as well. They are waiting to hear from his physician if he is eligible to be tested.
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Yeah, I would rather walk than get on a train right now.
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I personally know 6 people who got COVID19, who live in a combined 4 states (Florida, Vermont, New York, New Jersey). I'm not talking about people "I know" on FB or some internet forum, I mean "real world" people I'm close with. Thankfully, all 6 of them are fine, but unless I'm a real mathematical outlier, put me down as one of the folks who thinks COVID19 is spread way more than our current knowledge.
My brother-in-law got CV-19. He has recovered, but it's a nasty illness that you don't want to get. He took over 4 weeks to recover, and he's still not at full strength. He experienced that common side effect of losing taste and smell. He's not back to normal with taste and smell either.
They are going to start lifting the lockdown in the UK next week. But, hey, it's not much:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXcHluaWAAcmeVn?format=jpg&name=small
Bars open 8/31, live sports with fans 10/1, gyms 10/1, it's going to be a dull summer.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXcHluaWAAcmeVn?format=jpg&name=small
Bars open 8/31, live sports with fans 10/1, gyms 10/1, it's going to be a dull summer.
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I know someone who ended up in ICU for a while , he is obese and very out of shape for a 50 something. My brother in law was diagnosed a few weeks ago and is fine now. I know of four people who had every symptom and never were tested.
Around Christmas I was sick for 6 weeks with a horrible cough and just didn't seem to have any energy. Not sure if it was the Flu for myself and all those people or maybe a mix ? An antibody test would be nice but not sure if it's available I'm interested out of curiosity .How do you calculate the true death rate without everyone being tested?
The doctors all seem to agree there will be a second wave yet all of the models don't seem to resemble anything other than a bell curve? That seems to indicate the person/s who are responsible for the models are not doctors ?
Around Christmas I was sick for 6 weeks with a horrible cough and just didn't seem to have any energy. Not sure if it was the Flu for myself and all those people or maybe a mix ? An antibody test would be nice but not sure if it's available I'm interested out of curiosity .How do you calculate the true death rate without everyone being tested?
The doctors all seem to agree there will be a second wave yet all of the models don't seem to resemble anything other than a bell curve? That seems to indicate the person/s who are responsible for the models are not doctors ?
Edd
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New disease. New rules. Let’s all be grown ups and deal with what is in front of us.
Or we can listen to Alex Jones-ish sources and believe that the Martians want to give us the Clap and settle into that mentality.
Not Sure
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PMS much ? , sheesh . That was a logical question raised earlier by someone else here I believe. I’ll look around some more but haven’t seen models with a second wave .
Alex is jackass for the record he lost me early on with the gay frog stuff!! Basically a troll!!
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Two Graphs, One is Sweden the other is US.
Sweden did herd Immunity. They kept schools open, bars & restaurants, parks etc. The US was locked down for over two months. The graphs look the same. A lot of people may disagree but Trump is right, the Governors should have opened up their states alot sooner than they did. We need to get the economy going, We need to get people out and about.
Anyway, the only thing this graph doesn't show is the US is going to have another spike again in a few weeks. Sweden isn't. Sweden believes they will hit the magic number 70% infection rate by mid may. That is when the virus will be contained.
Sweden did herd Immunity. They kept schools open, bars & restaurants, parks etc. The US was locked down for over two months. The graphs look the same. A lot of people may disagree but Trump is right, the Governors should have opened up their states alot sooner than they did. We need to get the economy going, We need to get people out and about.
Anyway, the only thing this graph doesn't show is the US is going to have another spike again in a few weeks. Sweden isn't. Sweden believes they will hit the magic number 70% infection rate by mid may. That is when the virus will be contained.
How exactly will Sweden get to a 70% infection rate by mid-May if the current data shows that in Stockholm alone they estimate they are at only 25-30%?
Sweden isn't the US. There are so many variables at play here. The lock-down strategy difference is not the only one. Sweden has stated they have continually maintained excess hospital capacity and that's why they were comfortable with not being overly restrictive. The US did not have that luxury in their harder hit areas. Stop comparing the two. It is ridiculous.
And "herd immunity" was NOT Sweden's strategy in the first place according to their Foreign Minister. People there just happened to actually listen to recommendations without requiring an actual lockdown by the government:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...y-of-herd-immunity-swedish-fm-tells-france-24
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Ok maybe not fair comparison, but they have done an excellent job handling the Coronavirus. The only thing that they didn't consider is how it ravaged nursing homes. Would you say that Sweeden is fair comparison(how people are spread out) to North New England, counting NH, Vermont and Maine? Do you think these state over reacted?
"Excellent" job is debatable. What are you basing that claim on? Their death rate is certainly higher than many other countries (including their neighboring countries). Their economic impact isn't expected to be substantially different than other countries in Europe either. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/cor...ntract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html).
So what was so "excellent" about it? Simply the fact that they didn't enact that many restrictions?
As for northern New England states - no I don't think they over-reacted. Had VT, NH, ME not implemented strict restrictions, they would have been flooded with people from NY, MA, CT, NJ, etc that would have brought the virus into those states and put a severe strain on the relatively limited resources they have available.
BenedictGomez
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That was like 1000 years ago, I doubt that's what he means at this point re: overreacting. States like Vermont have definitely overreacted to the point of absurdity with some things. That state should be well deep into its' opening up process already.
thebigo
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You cannot compare sweden with the us. Sweden has a population of just over 10m people, roughly the same as North Carolina. According to the graph, sweden has reported 25k cases, according to the CDC north Carolina has reported 12k cases.
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LOL... Good one!
Smellytele
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So read an article this morning that 65% of the covid cases in the us (outside of NY) were caused by people traveling from NY.
Also saw that 66% of the new NY hospitalizations are from people saying that had been staying at home. So maybe the stay at home orders are useless. Or maybe just a coincidence as more unhealthy people are staying home.
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Also saw that 66% of the new NY hospitalizations are from people saying that had been staying at home. So maybe the stay at home orders are useless. Or maybe just a coincidence as more unhealthy people are staying home.
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Sweden is truly and interesting case and it is very difficult to compare Sweden to the US. There are some fundamental differences that extend beyond the obvious like absolute population (10M vs 300M) and geographic size.
Looking at their approach, some would look at Sweden like it is some sort of Libertarian paradise where one can decide on one's own to isolate, or not. Many in the US, that tend to skew on the Conservative side, point to Sweden's approach of apparent hands-off self management as the way to go- why cant we do that? Perhaps we soon forget that these are the same people that painted Sweden (and much the rest of Europe) with the broad brush of "Socialism!", look out Venezuela, they're next! Bernie and his band of thugs is coming for us to turn us into Swedes and Danes, the horror!
The fact is, Sweden is neither. What Sweden has that the US does not is a fundamental connection between the Government and the Individual. Government intervention is strong though high taxation and regulation (sorry libertarians) but citizens reap the benefits of this in the form of high quality of life, good education, medical care, child care, employment protection, etc. It is a symbiotic relationship. The people have a high level of trust in their government and vice versa.
The US does not have this. For one, we were founded on principles that originated from an oppressive regime that we separated from. We then put many protections in place to keep our government at arm's length. By design, we are very wary of government overreach, that's just the way we are. We are also a free society, more so than anywhere in the world. We don't like to be told what to do.
So how does this relate to our current situation? Now more than ever, there is a fundamental mistrust in our Federal Government. Furthermore, there is a distinct rift between "the Government" (the rank and file bureaucratic maze of agencies and departments) and the Administration (those elected or appointed with the power to make decisions). The Government does not trust the Administration, the Administration does not take the guidance from the Government. Not surprisingly, we as a nation are also split as to who we believe or trust. Some want to shut down, others call BS on the whole COVID issue. There is no unified approach. States blame the Fed, Fed throws shade back on the states.
Meanwhile, those that don't care echew what should be common sense social distance protocol because we feel there is a "choice" between science, fact, and policy. We are a free society, no one can tell 'me' what to do. Me first, the rest of the losers out there are on your own.
Looking at their approach, some would look at Sweden like it is some sort of Libertarian paradise where one can decide on one's own to isolate, or not. Many in the US, that tend to skew on the Conservative side, point to Sweden's approach of apparent hands-off self management as the way to go- why cant we do that? Perhaps we soon forget that these are the same people that painted Sweden (and much the rest of Europe) with the broad brush of "Socialism!", look out Venezuela, they're next! Bernie and his band of thugs is coming for us to turn us into Swedes and Danes, the horror!
The fact is, Sweden is neither. What Sweden has that the US does not is a fundamental connection between the Government and the Individual. Government intervention is strong though high taxation and regulation (sorry libertarians) but citizens reap the benefits of this in the form of high quality of life, good education, medical care, child care, employment protection, etc. It is a symbiotic relationship. The people have a high level of trust in their government and vice versa.
The US does not have this. For one, we were founded on principles that originated from an oppressive regime that we separated from. We then put many protections in place to keep our government at arm's length. By design, we are very wary of government overreach, that's just the way we are. We are also a free society, more so than anywhere in the world. We don't like to be told what to do.
So how does this relate to our current situation? Now more than ever, there is a fundamental mistrust in our Federal Government. Furthermore, there is a distinct rift between "the Government" (the rank and file bureaucratic maze of agencies and departments) and the Administration (those elected or appointed with the power to make decisions). The Government does not trust the Administration, the Administration does not take the guidance from the Government. Not surprisingly, we as a nation are also split as to who we believe or trust. Some want to shut down, others call BS on the whole COVID issue. There is no unified approach. States blame the Fed, Fed throws shade back on the states.
Meanwhile, those that don't care echew what should be common sense social distance protocol because we feel there is a "choice" between science, fact, and policy. We are a free society, no one can tell 'me' what to do. Me first, the rest of the losers out there are on your own.
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