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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    The article literally presented instances of how undercounting & overcounting could occur. Literally. Why even bother providing all the ways undercounting could be occurring if it's basically propaganda as you're suggesting. And it's nothing like the CNN example you're falsely equivocating it with, which was genuinely mathematically absurd as was pointed out.
    You're missing the point entirely. Your extreme bias pretty much renders you unable to look at things objectively and independently.

    Again both articles were written to support confirmation bias in their target audience. There's some useful information in both, there's some gross generalizations in both. That's what both CNN and Fox News does with virtually all of their programming. If you're liberal, you'll tend to see Fox as more guilty of this. If you're conservative you'll see CNN as more guilty. If you're independent, you'll see the BS from both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    I'm old enough to remember when all decisions were going to be based on facts & science.
    The issue with this has been the “facts and science” has changed since the beginning of all of this multiple times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    The issue with this has been the “facts and science” has changed since the beginning of all of this multiple times.


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    And often a second part to this statement is that as things have changed (often due to either more data or a better understanding) rarely is there a retraction or amending of the initial statement if it indeed wasn't accurate.

    We're becoming a society where admitting one may of been wrong about something initially, seems like it's the worst thing they could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    The issue with this has been the “facts and science” has changed since the beginning of all of this multiple times.


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    Nobody believed that cloth masks were a bad idea. That was all about trying to control supply and demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhskier1969 View Post
    I am from out state, I still would like to see the Governor allow Killington to open for one more weekend. Use the same rules that apply for golf course but go a step further. Killington could open up for Memorial day weekend to Vermont residence who have a season ticket from Killington. No Ikon. Again, this affects me because I am from out of state and Ikon pass holder. The Governor should do this just to give the people of Vermont a better hope for the future. I would recommend any Vermont residence skier should call the Governors office until he listens, also fill up the Governors facebook account until he listens to the citizens of Vermont. Christ Vermont people voted for him he needs to listen to the people not the other way around.
    If Killington did reopen, it would be ugly. Snowbird (also a Powdr resort) has elected to not reopen as they feared too much pent up demand would flood the ski area and LCC. Mt. Bachelor, ironically also a Powdr resort, has re-opened for season passholders only (this year they are not tied into Ikon) and by reservation only. Limit is 500 skiers a day on two lifts (Sunrise and Summit) giving access to quite a bit of terrain, way more than Killington could hope to offer. Given Killington would have 1 lift and maybe 3 TTB routes if lucky, what would they do, 50-100 skiers/day? No way they re-open under those type of restrictions, too many passholders would be shut out and pissed. So it really doesn't matter what the government does in my mind, the logistics are totally unworkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    If Killington did reopen, it would be ugly.

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    Yeah, this has been stated on this forum multiple times. It just seems so obvious that it’s a dumb idea and I don’t get the obsession with opening K this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    Nobody believed that cloth masks were a bad idea. That was all about trying to control supply and demand.
    That is not what they told the peasants


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edd View Post
    Yeah, this has been stated on this forum multiple times. It just seems so obvious that it’s a dumb idea and I don’t get the obsession with opening K this season.
    Maybe a lottery for tickets like they do for hunting licenses ,limit sales, some accommodations for pass holders day? It would be a good dry run for fall with predictions of more cases .

    I think the obsession has to do with the glacier on the web cam and the woods still having snow ,June seems to be a given this year .
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  9. #449
    Quote Originally Posted by Edd View Post
    Yeah, this has been stated on this forum multiple times. It just seems so obvious that it’s a dumb idea and I don’t get the obsession with opening K this season.
    I agree. Why bother? I really don't see much of a point. What's the value for K to do this? If they have to limit it to VT passholders only, you'll just piss off the rest of the passholders. Then they'll start complaining that they should get a bigger credit than the people who were able to go for a "last weekend." They may not even be able to contractually exclude the Ikon passholders. I also have a hard time believing K wouldn't be overrun even if they put limits and rules in place with all the pent up demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I agree. Why bother? I really don't see much of a point. What's the value for K to do this? If they have to limit it to VT passholders only, you'll just piss off the rest of the passholders. Then they'll start complaining that they should get a bigger credit than the people who were able to go for a "last weekend." They may not even be able to contractually exclude the Ikon passholders. I also have a hard time believing K wouldn't be overrun even if they put limits and rules in place with all the pent up demand.
    Let's also not forget that if they tried to limit things, even after the VT residency issue would be dealt with hypothetically, and you keep it to passholders, would it just be the Killington specific passes or would IKON passholders, if they still have days left on their IKON'S, be in the mix as well?



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    November: 16.17,23,29,30 (Mount Snow)
    December: 1,7,14,15,21,26,27,28,29,30 (Mount Snow) 16 (Mount Southington) 22 (Okemo) 31 (Berkshire East)
    January: 1,4,5,11,12,18,19,20,25,26 (Mount Snow) 6,13,23,27 (Mount Southington)
    February: 1,2,15,16,22,23 (Mount Snow) 3,5,12 (Mount Southington) 8 (Bromley) 9 (Stratton) 17 (Pico) 29 (Burke)
    March: 1,14 (Mount Snow) 2 (Mount Southington) 5,6,7 (Cannon) 8 (Loon)

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