All time trail design screw ups.

ckofer · Jan 17, 2008

Puck it said:
Profile at Cannon. All of it snow ends up in the trees. Thanks to the highway department changing the designed trail to be like Cannon or Ravine and wind it's way down. What a blunder.

I agree, that trail is deceptive. It's often tough to pick a good line and it shouldn't end right at the lift.

Also, Gunstock has its share of old blunders. Smith, the learner's trail (only green from that lift) funnels everybody around a 90 degree turn that scrapes off quickly. Then it remains narrow until it's flat for a short stretch. The bottom is wide and constant-pitch which is fine but the top is discouraging to a beginner. Had I not picked up snowboarding there after 25+ years of skiing, I would have never realized this. The blue trail next to it is much easier.

The Tiger lift has a horrible off-load area, especially for snowboarders. The flats just above it are crappy too.

Marc · Jan 17, 2008

How about the infamous (especially early season) Bunny Buster/Great Northern intersection? I don't ski K anymore but that was horrific in my memory.

davidhowland14 · Jan 17, 2008

I'll second the Grand Junction at Loon. Little kids from the Kanc Quad, snowboarders heading to the park, a billion trails coming together...

Easy Winder at Ragged is pretty bad, too.

riverc0il · Jan 17, 2008

The trend seems to be the wide open straight trails and the horrid intersections. Personally, the wide open straight trails are the pits. I can see somewhat wide. The front five at Cannon are wide but respectfully so and they do have some curve to them. Profile, thumbs down, just a horrid trail with terrible conditions most days.

eatskisleep · Jan 17, 2008

Jay used to have a trail, right of the tram to the right, now they just close it and keep it roped off. Never held snow, on ledge, wind blown like crazy. Anyone remember the name... I feel like it is at the tip of my tongue, I just can't remember it.

SLyardsale · Jan 17, 2008

wa-loaf said:
Double Bitter is great and Sugarloaf has a few good old style trails left. But what they did to Widowmaker was a travesty.

What they did to upper Wedge (aka White Nitro) is worse.

Also, widening of Narrow Guage just doesn't stop.

andyzee · Jan 17, 2008

Brettski said:
Lower FIS at the bush

I think there's a flat 30 mile run out to the base

I always joke that this is what makes lower Fis a black diamond

Love that trail, all except that run out.

deadheadskier · Jan 17, 2008

I'm curious why the repeated straight shot wide expert boulevard has been tried repeatedly all over New England. In almost every situation, save for a couple, they end up being wind blown slabs of ice where the only time the conditions are decent occur during a heavy snow storm void of wind.

MarkC · Jan 17, 2008

Big Jay

riverc0il · Jan 17, 2008

MarkC said:
Big Jay

For real. :evil:

wintersyndrome · Jan 17, 2008

Although I'm a fan of most of the terrain at Gore, there really has to be something done about the "cloud flats, re-cut it, re grade it whatever, that flat section needs to be reassessed.

Love the idea of a totally gladed paradise though...wonder how long before some terrain is opened up here in the east that is targeted for that sort of development.

I wouldnt mind a mid-station on the slidebrook quad with perhaps a T-bar surface lift to gain some vert in slidebrook- though I bet there are MRV/SB purists, environmentalists, bears and deer that would disagree with me.

2knees · Jan 17, 2008

MarkC said:
Big Jay

I'm sorry but that is funny.

from_the_NEK · Jan 17, 2008

Jay used to have a trail, right of the tram to the right, now they just close it and keep it roped off. Never held snow, on ledge, wind blown like crazy. Anyone remember the name... I feel like it is at the tip of my tongue, I just can't remember it.

I believe this is the answer you are looking for...

Talisman said:
Northwest Passage at Jay is a terrible train because it doesn't hold snow and the top has never been open in thrity plus visits to Jay.

The meandering green trails at Killington are another pet peave

millerm277 · Jan 17, 2008

Another vote for Double Dipper at Killington. Superstar and Ovation as well for being far too wide.

bigbog · Jan 18, 2008

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snoseek · Jan 18, 2008

again I'll vote for profile, and there was no reason to get rid of the t-bars, they beat hanging in the wind on a cold day. I don't really get oz at sunday river, it could have been soooo much better.

skibum9995 · Jan 18, 2008

Puck it said:
Profile at Cannon. All of it snow ends up in the trees. Thanks to the highway department changing the designed trail to be like Cannon or Ravine and wind it's way down. What a blunder.

This is exactly what came to mind when I read the thread title.

skibum9995 · Jan 18, 2008

eatskisleep said:
Jay used to have a trail, right of the tram to the right, now they just close it and keep it roped off. Never held snow, on ledge, wind blown like crazy. Anyone remember the name... I feel like it is at the tip of my tongue, I just can't remember it.

I believe you are talking about Sis Boom Bah, which has been permanently closed and taken off the map. I've skied over 100 days at Jay and saw it open maybe 2 or 3 times.

deadheadskier · Jan 18, 2008

snoseek said:
again I'll vote for profile, and there was no reason to get rid of the t-bars, they beat hanging in the wind on a cold day. I don't really get oz at sunday river, it could have been soooo much better.

Agreed on Oz.

and perfect example of a trail that could be re-claimed. Rope of a section here or there for several years replanting some trees. Maybe through some boulders in here or there.

It will never be the same as it once was due to grading, but it could be helped along.

deadheadskier · Jan 18, 2008

wintersyndrome said:
I wouldnt mind a mid-station on the slidebrook quad with perhaps a T-bar surface lift to gain some vert in slidebrook- though I bet there are MRV/SB purists, environmentalists, bears and deer that would disagree with me.

To my knowledge, the master plan was always to develop Slidebrook and connect North and South. It would be amazing if it was and probably cement Sugarbush as the largest area in the east over Killington. But, never going to happen.

It's my understanding that the Slide Brook Express and guided BC tours in the area was a compromise.

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