The "Sugarbush Thread"

We have had a number of repeat incidents in just the last week culminating with two skiers skiing past our flashing winch signage onto Cliffs and hitting the winch cable, ejecting out of their skis, and then fleeing the scene before our winch operator could get up to check on them.

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Johnny B said:

Hey everyone. You'll likely see it on social and the snow report, but I wanted to update you all here about uphill travel. Here's our uphill policy for reference: https://www.sugarbush.com/mountain/terrain-and-maps/uphill-travel#uphill-travel.

Attention uphill travelers: effective immediately we will be suspending uphill travel at both Lincoln Peak and Mt. Ellen outside of operating hours. Mt. Ellen's daytime uphill route will remain open but all early morning and evening routes at both mountains will be closed. Unfortunately, we have experienced several incidents this season with guests not abiding by our uphill travel guidelines, in particular our designated downhill routes. We have worked hard to support uphill enthusiasts and continue to find ways to expand and improve our policy, but when guests don't adhere to our policy it puts both them and our mountain operations teams at risk. We ask that you help spread the word on our uphill policy and proper etiquette and we are hopeful we can open it back up in the near future.

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ducky said:

Also, Emily E, formerly of the Wonderbar and Hogan's, opened her own place yesterday in Waitsfield opposite Canteen Creemee in the old Stoke Ramen location.

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Hawk said:

Castlerock opens today. I will be out for some of that after morning work. CD are you headed out? Maybe I will see you over there.

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Hawk said:

I understand that these people suck. I get it. But you get a few Morons so you shut it down? How about enforsement and penalties first or a warning before you shut it down. Looks to me that you guys were looking for a reason to shut it down and they handed it to you.

Your rules will not stop the responsible people that know where to go and what to ski. They have been skinning at the mountain for years. Long before there were such policies.

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Hawk said:

What, the attiture of the people that have never broken the rules and are now being limited by idiots?
The locals and the regulars here at sugarbush have been skinning and skiing without issues for years. it was a don't ask don't tell policy that worked. Enter the new gernation of skinners and the conservative rule makers. Now it's all f-ed up. I skin and ski on and mostly off the mountain for the past 20 years. Sometimes at night. I have never been approached by a groomer, sled or any mountain peronell. Why is that? Because I have common sence and a good sence of what would be safe and acceptable. That will remain as my cannon. I say send out patrol to bust and prosicute the idiots and then it will leave the respocble people like the original crew and the newer responcibe people. I might add that some of the people that skin and ski are ex and current employees and patrol. So throw stone if you like. There is more to this then you understand.

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Big Wave Dave said:

I watched two skinners argue with patrol last year when they were skinning a closed trail and the attitude they had infuriated me. Absolute entitlement with no reasonable basis to back it up beyond their opinion. This was at another mountain that had a recent winch cat incident and the patrollers we’re doing their jobs.

I have seen that enough in the skin crowd to know it is more than a few bad apples. The basis of skinning is freedom to move where you want- it’s inherently antithetical to order in some ways.

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