The "Sugarbush Thread"

[Lostone]

Noski... You been following me around???

Actually, that's the closest I do get to women following me around.

[Tin Woodsman]

IMO, the best place for new lift/trail development is (as has been discussed many times before), above Inverness... just from sun angles and the slope of the hillside it seems like there would be the potential for a great north lynx-y type area... unfortunately it's so close to mad river glen that the shareholders would have a fit if Sugarbush ever showed any interest in development up there... plus that land is probably privately owned...

It definitely would be "North Lynx-y". If you take a look on a winter afternoon, that area of he the mountain remains in the afternoon sun until very late in the day while the rest of Ellen is in the shadows. Solid upper intermediate to advanced pitch with about 1,100 vertical, as compared to about 800 for North Lynx. More importantly, just as at Lincoln Peak, it would really have helped to spread out the traffic on the mountain. Currently, the Inverness chair and terrain are probably underutilized in comparison to the rest of the hill. GMVS usually closes 1-2 of the 4 ways down the hill there and the quad is an unexciting (compared to the rest of the lift system) and slow fixed grip. If you had a terrain pod up top, I'm sure (as with Gate House) the Inverness lift would be detatchable and it would be the entree to a solid 2,100 vertical feet of terrain that is sunny and perfect for upper intermediates. In short, you'd be drawing a lot more people to that side of the mountain.

Regardless, while MRG wouldn't be able to stop it (it's not their land), I'm sure there are any number of hurdles that would be put up by others that would prevent such an expansion from ever coming to reality.

[thetrailboss]

It definitely would be "North Lynx-y". If you take a look on a winter afternoon, that area of he the mountain remains in the afternoon sun until very late in the day while the rest of Ellen is in the shadows. Solid upper intermediate to advanced pitch with about 1,100 vertical, as compared to about 800 for North Lynx. More importantly, just as at Lincoln Peak, it would really have helped to spread out the traffic on the mountain.

Yeah, it would be cool.

Currently, the Inverness chair and terrain are probably underutilized in comparison to the rest of the hill. GMVS usually closes 1-2 of the 4 ways down the hill there and the quad is an unexciting (compared to the rest of the lift system) and slow fixed grip. If you had a terrain pod up top, I'm sure (as with Gate House) the Inverness lift would be detatchable and it would be the entree to a solid 2,100 vertical feet of terrain that is sunny and perfect for upper intermediates. In short, you'd be drawing a lot more people to that side of the mountain.

Yep, most underutilized area at SB. Too much lift capacity as well...not enough skiers/riders...some good terrain though. Just wish that GMVS wouldn't close the whole place down when they train I like those narrow trails on the right as you ski down Inverness....cool runs. Long as well.

[Tin Woodsman]

In terms of the lift I have seen this all before and have spoken about it with Ken Quackenbush, MRG’s GM from about 1951 to about 1992. He told me that Glen Ellen went forward with the idea and actually cut the lift line prior to getting state permits which were later denied. Apparently MRG had the same idea of utilizing the same mountain top, except coming at it with a lift from the Mad River Barn.

I recall a great conversation with Ken several years ago. He commented at the time that Glen Ellen was built that there was not enough business to support 3 mountains in the valley. History has proven that he was probably right.<

From the topo the terminal for both proposed lifts that Eric talks about is the highest point of Stark. Looks to be 200 vf higher than MRG's current summit elevation.

A lift from the Mad River Barn to the summit of Stark Mt would have been the single greatest lift in Eastern skiing bar none. 2,500 vertical of mostly expert terrain that is consistently tough for at least 3/4 of the way, all facing NE. Never gonna happen.

And the true summit of Stark Mt is only 20 vf higher than MRG's current summit, not 200.

[thetrailboss]

A lift from the Mad River Barn to the summit of Stark Mt would have been the single greatest lift in Eastern skiing bar none. 2,500 vertical of mostly expert terrain that is consistently tough for at least 3/4 of the way, all facing NE. Never gonna happen.

And the true summit of Stark Mt is only 20 vf higher than MRG's current summit, not 200.

That would have been sweet!!! Maybe instead of the single chair, MRG could do this...

[dmc]

I'm really digging this thread...

I love Sugarbush...

Keep it going guys!!!

[Tin Woodsman]

I like those narrow trails on the right as you ski down Inverness....cool runs. Long as well.

Semi-Tough - my favorite trail in VT, if not of all time. Perfect pitch. Fantastic width to retain snow and keep it interesting. 4-5 turns in the ego bumps, then it backs off to allow you to catch your breath before turning a corner where another little field of ego bumps is revealed. Wash, rinse repeat. Pure ecstasy.

[bvibert]

I like those narrow trails on the right as you ski down Inverness....cool runs. Long as well.

Semi-Tough - my favorite trail in VT, if not of all time. Perfect pitch. Fantastic width to retain snow and keep it interesting. 4-5 turns in the ego bumps, then it backs off to allow you to catch your breath before turning a corner where another little field of ego bumps is revealed. Wash, rinse repeat. Pure ecstasy.

Definately a cool trail! When I was there late last year the race team was training all day and Semi-Tough was still open...

[thetrailboss]

I like those narrow trails on the right as you ski down Inverness....cool runs. Long as well.

Semi-Tough - my favorite trail in VT, if not of all time. Perfect pitch. Fantastic width to retain snow and keep it interesting. 4-5 turns in the ego bumps, then it backs off to allow you to catch your breath before turnign a corner where another little field of ego bumps is revealed. Wash, rinse repeat. Pure exactasy.

Yeah, why I love Mt Ellen so much and SB for that matter. Great run, not well trodden, but it's there and great. I can ski Ellen all day and not get bored when there is snow. I love Lower FIS personally...some great pitch and nice narrow chute sections.

[Tin Woodsman]

Yeah, why I love Mt Ellen so much and SB for that matter. Great run, not well trodden, but it's there and great. I can ski Ellen all day and not get bored when there is snow. I love Lower FIS personally...some great pitch and nice narrow chute sections.

Not a huge fan of Lower FIS due to its width (far to wide, enabling wind to scrape all the snow off) and flat/uphill run-out at the bottom. Another pipe dream I've had is to run a chair from the 1,800 ft elevation on that trail up to either the Cliff House at 3,000 ft or the top of Mt Ellen at 4,083. Good times either way and would provide legit expert terrain for Ellen (Upper FIS, Black Diamond and Upper Exterminator are too short to want to do laps ala Castlerock or even Heaven's Gate)