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  1. #6801
    Quote Originally Posted by Orca View Post
    Look, I have a season pass and have for many years. I haven't bought a window price day ticket at Sugarbush in at least a decade. The whole window rate discussion is related to its relative expense as related to other ways of acquiring a day's (or a season's) access to the mountain. It is not helpful for pass holders to wave around that they are only paying $10 a day because they ski so much, etc. It comes across as a little smug and self-serving; it is a bit like saying "hey, I've got mine, so I don't give a crap about the casual skier". Well, $10 or $25 as an average source of revenue all the skier days would put SB out of business fast, so you are getting a subsidy if your costs are that low. So have some tolerance for those that might not like the idea of anyone paying $129 for a day.

    I get it too that SB is aligned with the greater industry in charging much increased window rates. I am not asking for SB to atone for the industry trend. I just lament that the trend is a little ugly for the casual skier.
    I know a number of casual skiers that only go to sb a few days a year. They donít pay anywhere near the window price either. You just have to be a smart consumer and pay attention. No one should ever pay a window rate (even day of from the parking lot you can save something just ordering from your phone)


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  2. #6802
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I know a number of casual skiers that only go to sb a few days a year. They don’t pay anywhere near the window price either. You just have to be a smart consumer and pay attention. No one should ever pay a window rate (even day of from the parking lot you can save something just ordering from your phone)
    We agree. No one should pay that rate.

  3. #6803
    Quote Originally Posted by WinS View Post
    smaller feeder hills are incredibly important for all of us and many of them are doing well. In our back yard Cochran’s and Bolton are great example
    lol Win.. Bolton Valley is not a "feeder hill". It's a destination for skiers who enjoy tree skiing, powder conditions, low crowds, and good deals.

    I drive up from Western MA and day trip Bolton Valley usually a few times a season because the terrain/value/conditions is a winning combination.

    You might as well call Mad River Glen a feeder hill

    I haven't read all the recent posts in this thread but as long as (any ski area) charges $139 walk up rate in Vermont, it's going to be a topic that comes up.

    10 years ago Stowe went triple digits and everyone wigged out like it was breaking a sacred oath. I guess if it keeps increasing well beyond the rate of inflation now, that's OK though.
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

  4. #6804
    its also closest to burlington, has inexpensive lift tix, even less expensive night ski tix. its a large feeder hill, but its still a feeder hill in that it serves as an inexpensive option for noobies and is closest to the biggest town in the state.

  5. #6805
    Quote Originally Posted by KustyTheKlown View Post
    its also closest to burlington, has inexpensive lift tix, even less expensive night ski tix. its a large feeder hill, but its still a feeder hill in that it serves as an inexpensive option for noobies and is closest to the biggest town in the state.
    I guess Sugarbush is now a feeder hill for Winter Park, Deer Valley and Stratton then
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

  6. #6806
    well, we're using feeder hill in two different ways. both make sense for the term

    1) a place for beginners to learn inexpensively before graduating to bigger/better places. bolton fits in here, tho i agree its a lot bigger and better than the typical northeastern/midatlantic feeder hill

    2) a place owned by or affiliated with one of the conglomerates where the major purpose of the affiliation or acquisition was to get locals to visit the far off destination resorts. sugarbush does fit this definition. tho i dont think sugarbush is feeding stratton. stratton and sugarbush are both feeding winter park tho for sure.

  7. #6807
    Totally agree. Just seemed odd to lump in Bolton Valley -- a hill I ski more often than Sugarbush for a few reasons -- with Cochran's (what is that like 200 vertical feet or less?)

    A feeder hill is not a hill that expert skiers will travel to ski their quality terrain. If you call Bolton a feeder hill, Mad River Glen and Pico fall into the same category. Burke too, right?

    So at that point it's basically just calling every ski resort that's not quite as big and expensive a feeder hill. A few "feeder hills" do exist in Vermont, but they are almost never discussed here.

    Massachusetts and New York have a lot more actual feeder hills, such as Blanford Ski Area, West Mountain, Butternut, Nashoba Valley, Titus Mountain, etc

    To call a 1,700 vert mountain on I-89 with first rate tree skiing, 3 mountains, legit technical terrain and > 300" snowfall a feeder hill just sounds like someone speaking from a radically different perspective.

    By the way the Bolton/Burlington locals and regular skiers don't consider it a feeder hill either, and an extra half hour to Sugarbush doesn't exactly make it out of range. It's the ticket price!

    But if Bolton is a feeder thank God feeder hills such as this do exist
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

  8. #6808
    Win- snow report says “lifts start turning at 8am”. Does that mean everything or just the usual bravo HG and GMX? If all opening at 8, I likey.

  9. #6809
    Quote Originally Posted by JimG. View Post
    My first day of skiing was at The Concord December 1962. It was my father's first day too.

    My mom was already an avid skier.
    I first skied at grossingers around 1971.

    kind of silly to use the nevelle as an example of a failed ski resort.

    i dont know if this is a factor in the lack of growth in skiers, but, and please donít take this the wrong way, isnít population growth in the United States mostly among people from warm climates, like central/South America, Southeast Asia, and Africa? Cold weather activities are just totally foreign to people from these cultures, which is totally understandable.

  10. #6810
    Quote Originally Posted by HowieT2 View Post
    kind of silly to use the nevelle as an example of a failed ski resort.
    YES - totally bizarre! Of ALL the closed ski areas, they pick the NEVELE as the example of a changing/declining ski industry?!? The Nevele was one of the classic Catskill resorts, all of which are now gone (and have mostly been for some time now). The ski area was a minor accessory to the hotel (by contrast, the Monster golf course at the Concord was it's own attraction and survived even after the resort closed). The closing of Nevele's ski area was a byproduct of the closing of the Nevele hotel, which itself was a byproduct of a the overall death of the Catskill resorts. I would guess that whatever changes occurred in the ski industry up until the time the Nevele closed had ALMOST NOTHING TO DO with the Nevele closing or the closing of its accessory ski area!


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