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  1. #8441
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    How is John Hamnond and Sugarbush going to be able to confirm that people are following the guidelines and restrict people that are not? In my condo complex there are families from MA that have been living up there and will remain there for the winter working remotely. They comply but how would you know?
    Also, hypothetically, if I chose to go up every weekend and I am isolated at my house in MA, ski from my condo so I am not interacting at the base. Ski with a mask on with my significant other and bring all my own food, How am I not complaint? Common sense would dictate that I am. So very complicated.
    Not sure quarantining at home in your state's red or yellow county qualifies as being compliant. Perhaps in theory you can think so, but not legally.

    I think condo associations (via airbnb) are not able to or care to police who rents or stays whereas Sugarbush, being licensed by the state, is held to a much higher standard and has an obligation to the health of their guests, employees, indeed the whole local population. Ethically, does a major local employer wants to take that risk for profit? Not a resort in the country wants to be THE place where the inevitable outbreak happens. Our local middle school, CBMS, had two cases last week and is now closed. It has folks on edge around here.

  2. #8442
    Quote Originally Posted by HowieT2 View Post
    What I dont understand is the algorithm vt is using to determine the active cases per million. The threshold for quarantine is 400/million. my county in NY, westchester, has been consistently for months in the 20's per 100k for 7 day period and yet VT has the active cases above 800/million. The population of westchester is just shy of 1m. I dont get it.
    If you write or call the VT ACCD or DoH you will get an answer to their sources quite quickly. If you have the VPR app on your phone, you can listen to the weekly briefings on Tuesday and Friday at 11:00. One problem is the 400/100k is updated every Friday which means it is often too late for weekend travel.

    Howie, just found the algorithm: https://dfr.vermont.gov/sites/finreg...ogy-071620.pdf

  3. #8443
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I hear that the vaccine is coming in November. If I get the vaccine am I good to go? This is going to be way more complicated then everyone thinks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blurski View Post
    The big man say vaccine is right around the corner, problem fix, it is that easy.
    There's some talking past each other out there. The White House says the vaccine will be available this fall. I interpret that to mean the first distributed doses that will go to medical workers, military. Initial production will be less at first than after it's ramped up. So availability to the general public will be quite a bit later, which is what the other story in the news is. Neither one acknowledges the other. Read and assimilate both. And of course it might not be ready this fall either.

    Quote Originally Posted by HowieT2 View Post
    What I dont understand is the algorithm vt is using to determine the active cases per million. The threshold for quarantine is 400/million. my county in NY, westchester, has been consistently for months in the 20's per 100k for 7 day period and yet VT has the active cases above 800/million. The population of westchester is just shy of 1m. I dont get it.
    There was an interesting discussion on this on Kzone. Briefly, VT uses a 30 day look back algorithm to calculate the theoretical number of cases in each county today, using John Hopkins data. It is not based on today's testing. Other states, like mine, get their numbers from recent testing. The numbers are considerably different. Population size doesn't figure in, it's the rate.

  4. #8444
    Quote Originally Posted by ducky View Post
    Not sure quarantining at home in your state's red or yellow county qualifies as being compliant. Perhaps in theory you can think so, but not legally.
    It absolutely does count. This is straight from VT's ACCD website:
    Residents of other states who live in a quarantine county or are from any other state outside of the Northeast (including New England; New York; Pennsylvania; Ohio; New Jersey; Delaware; Maryland; Washington, D.C.; Virginia; and West Virginia), must follow quarantine guidelines:

    Travelers arriving to Vermont in a personal vehicle, may complete either a 14-day quarantine or a 7-day quarantine followed by a negative test in their home state and enter Vermont without further quarantine restrictions.

  5. #8445
    Quote Originally Posted by ducky View Post
    If you write or call the VT ACCD or DoH you will get an answer to their sources quite quickly. If you have the VPR app on your phone, you can listen to the weekly briefings on Tuesday and Friday at 11:00. One problem is the 400/100k is updated every Friday which means it is often too late for weekend travel.

    Howie, just found the algorithm: https://dfr.vermont.gov/sites/finreg...ogy-071620.pdf
    my head just exploded reading that. just seems to me the number should be substantially lower based on the data.

  6. #8446
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    It absolutely does count. This is straight from VT's ACCD website:
    That's correct. Absolutely legal and within the rules to quarantine at home.


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    We visited up there a while back to clean out our condo for a renovation that is happening. I have to say just driving around , there are not a lot of people wearing masks and social distancing. If there is an out break it will be because the locals refuse to follow the guidelines themselves.

  8. #8448
    Quote Originally Posted by mister moose View Post
    There's some talking past each other out there. The White House says the vaccine will be available this fall. I interpret that to mean the first distributed doses that will go to medical workers, military. Initial production will be less at first than after it's ramped up. So availability to the general public will be quite a bit later, which is what the other story in the news is. Neither one acknowledges the other. Read and assimilate both. And of course it might not be ready this fall either.


    There was an interesting discussion on this on Kzone. Briefly, VT uses a 30 day look back algorithm to calculate the theoretical number of cases in each county today, using John Hopkins data. It is not based on today's testing. Other states, like mine, get their numbers from recent testing. The numbers are considerably different. Population size doesn't figure in, it's the rate.
    I get the look back but like I said, I've been monitoring the data and for months, the number of cases have been in the 20's per 100k for 7 day period. That's in the 200's per million over 7 days. how then does the algorithm get to 800+ per million active cases.

  9. #8449
    Quote Originally Posted by mister moose View Post
    There's some talking past each other out there. The White House says the vaccine will be available this fall. I interpret that to mean the first distributed doses that will go to medical workers, military. Initial production will be less at first than after it's ramped up. So availability to the general public will be quite a bit later, which is what the other story in the news is. Neither one acknowledges the other. Read and assimilate both. And of course it might not be ready this fall either.


    There was an interesting discussion on this on Kzone. Briefly, VT uses a 30 day look back algorithm to calculate the theoretical number of cases in each county today, using John Hopkins data. It is not based on today's testing. Other states, like mine, get their numbers from recent testing. The numbers are considerably different. Population size doesn't figure in, it's the rate.

    you guys dont actually believe there's going to be a vaccine distributed and administered widely enough to make any difference before next spring??? I mean, really, you are being facetious, no?

  10. #8450
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    We visited up there a while back to clean out our condo for a renovation that is happening. I have to say just driving around , there are not a lot of people wearing masks and social distancing. If there is an out break it will be because the locals refuse to follow the guidelines themselves.
    It's not the locals who are not wearing masks.

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