Death of Manual Transmission ETA????

o3jeff · Jul 1, 2015

ctenidae said:
The Subaru BRZ strikes me as a fun car to have, especially with the Prius tires. Apparently, you can drive like a total hoon and never break the speed limit in town.

They are very fun, I've been looking for a toy and they are at the top of the list. You can have a lot of fun taching it out around town and on the back roads without getting into too much trouble where as a vette has a ton of HP but you need some room or will be flying.

Hoping the rumors are true about a BRZ convertible.

wa-loaf · Jul 1, 2015

deadheadskier said:
I had read that the next generation VW sportwagen tdi will be available in AWD and initially they said a 6 speed option, but the most recent news says only Europe will get the six speed.

Sounds like it's going to be an Alltrack wagon based on the sportwagon and it's debatable if they will offer it as a TDi. Will probably have the DSG in it for us. DSG is cool (cooler than auto or cvt anyway), but the maintenance costs on them are high.

The new Golf R just came out and it only has a DSG. Manual may still be coming, but when your top end awd sports car doesn't have a manual I think the writing is on the wall ...

gmcunni · Sep 8, 2016

benski · Sep 8, 2016

gmcunni said:
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yeggous · Sep 8, 2016

manual transmissions at definitely a thing of the past. CAFE fuel efficiency standards have even pushed automatics back in favor of CVTs. The final nail in the coffin will be the rise of Highly Autonomous Driving.

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bdfreetuna · Sep 8, 2016

Its not going anywhere for enthusiast and sport/luxury cars. Smaller more efficient engines with turbo.

Also BRZ is slow go STi if youre looking at a new Subaru while it still has the EJ25 engine.

deadheadskier · Sep 9, 2016

Hopefully Mazda continues to offer it for the 3 for many years to come. I don't really desire a performance car for all the driving I do. Something simple, reliable, fuel efficient and reasonably fun to drive is all I'm really looking for and the 3 works for that. I've put 141K miles on my 2013 in 4 years. I've only had to do routine maintenance. Still on my original pads and rotors even while spending two days a week zig zagging around Boston.

yeggous · Sep 9, 2016

deadheadskier said:
Hopefully Mazda continues to offer it for the 3 for many years to come. I don't really desire a performance car for all the driving I do. Something simple, reliable, fuel efficient and reasonably fun to drive is all I'm really looking for and the 3 works for that. I've put 141K miles on my 2013 in 4 years. I've only had to do routine maintenance. Still on my original pads and rotors even while spending two days a week zig zagging around Boston.

There will be challenges. Automatic braking is going to be required in all vehicles within 6 years. It is tricky to do this with a manual transmission as it can stall the vehicle. The agreement in place gives the automakers longer to work out the details for manuals as a result.

Likewise adaptive cruise control is a problem on manual transmissions. The only vehicle that I know that even offers it is the Ford Mustang, and all it does is makes minor speed adjustments within a gear range (highway speed adjustments). All of the half decent systems require an automatic.

deadheadskier · Sep 9, 2016

My hope for the future has been restored with what I just saw in Boston. If the day comes when all the manual transmissions are gone, as long as there are people with the mechanical skills to convert a newer model Cadillac DeVille into a pickup, there will be someone capable of converting whatever boring AT car I buy into a MT. It may cost stupid money, but the option will be there.

steamboat1 · Sep 9, 2016

deadheadskier said:
My hope for the future has been restored with what I just saw in Boston. If the day comes when all the manual transmissions are gone, as long as there are people with the mechanical skills to convert a newer model Cadillac DeVille into a pickup, there will be someone capable of converting whatever boring AT car I buy into a MT. It may cost stupid money, but the option will be there.

Those cars are commonly used by funeral parlors for carrying flowers behind the hearse.

skiNEwhere · Sep 9, 2016

yeggous said:
There will be challenges. Automatic braking is going to be required in all vehicles within 6 years. It is tricky to do this with a manual transmission as it can stall the vehicle. The agreement in place gives the automakers longer to work out the details for manuals as a result.

Likewise adaptive cruise control is a problem on manual transmissions. The only vehicle that I know that even offers it is the Ford Mustang, and all it does is makes minor speed adjustments within a gear range (highway speed adjustments). All of the half decent systems require an automatic.

What's your source on this, is that opinion or fact?

I've been considering making my next car a Wrangler. Thankfully there are a plethora of wranglers with manual transmissions, and I don't think that's gonna go away anytime soon (knock on wood)

yeggous · Sep 9, 2016

skiNEwhere said:
What's your source on this, is that opinion or fact?

I've been considering making my next car a Wrangler. Thankfully there are a plethora of wranglers with manual transmissions, and I don't think that's gonna go away anytime soon (knock on wood)

Fact. Just google "automatic braking" and you'll easily find a huge amount of coverage. I've been trying to impress this upon people. In a decade the idea of driving a car without autonomous features is going to seem as crazy as a car without antilock brakes, seat belts, and airbags today. These features are not science fiction. They exist and you can already buy them today. All that remains is integrating them into a single system.

deadheadskier · Sep 9, 2016

Interesting. First time I've ever seen one. Maybe it's because I've lived in Northern New England most of my life and such a vehicle would be impractical for transporting flowers much of the year. I suppose in a city where the distance from the services to the cemetery is short, such a car is more useful.

skiNEwhere · Sep 9, 2016

Yea looks like a lot of auto manufacturers are heavily invested

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...stems-to-become-standard-on-most-u-s-vehicles

I doubt it would be that hard to program a car to automatically depress the clutch if the brakes are applied automatically as well.....but with all random contingencies that would need to be tested to ensure the clutch being depressed at the wrong moment won't cause an accident, it probably wouldn't make financial sense to most manufacturers to cater to what's become a niche market.

I could seriously see auto braking enable drivers to text more while driving. It will likely reduce rear end collisions but I wouldn't be surprised if more side-swiping types of accidents occur

yeggous · Sep 9, 2016

skiNEwhere said:
Yea looks like a lot of auto manufacturers are heavily invested

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...stems-to-become-standard-on-most-u-s-vehicles

I doubt it would be that hard to program a car to automatically depress the clutch if the brakes are applied automatically as well.....but with all random contingencies that would need to be tested to ensure the clutch being depressed at the wrong moment won't cause an accident, it probably wouldn't make financial sense to most manufacturers to cater to what's become a niche market.

I could seriously see auto braking enable drivers to text more while driving. It will likely reduce rear end collisions but I wouldn't be surprised if more side-swiping types of accidents occur

As I said, these are not hypothetical any more. These cars are already on the market. Automatic braking results in double digit reductions in the overall accident rate. As far as lane departures are concerned, lane keep assist is also already a reality and show comparable gains. This is technology that you can drive off the lot today.

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deadheadskier · Sep 9, 2016

Here's a thought/question, wouldn't a more beneficial technology towards life safety than auto breaking be an "auto shut off" of cell phones within a running vehicle except for 911 purposes? Basically instead of Bluetooth connecting to a phone to be used, it actually turns the phone off. Pretty hypocritical of me suggesting this as I snapped the earlier shared photo while stopped in traffic and spend much of my day driving distracted by talking to customers on the phone (through my cars Bluetooth), but it seems to me that cell phone usage is the most pressing traffic safety hazard of the day, even more so than DUI.

And I'll bring that full circle back to the benefits of a manual transmission. Those who drive them are forced to be more engaged in their driving. When I'm creeping over the Tobin bridge, I have to be fully engaged in what gear I'm in. My observation is as a general rule, those who drive manuals tend to be better / more focused drivers, which should be the goal

steamboat1 · Sep 9, 2016

deadheadskier said:
Pretty hypocritical of me suggesting this as I snapped the earlier shared photo while stopped in traffic and spend much of my day driving distracted by talking to customers on the phone (through my cars Bluetooth), but it seems to me that cell phone usage is the most pressing traffic safety hazard of the day, even more so than DUI.

Bingo!

Same goes for people crossing the street.

And yes hypocritical.

Nothing new there.

deadheadskier · Sep 9, 2016

steamboat1 said:
Bingo!

Same goes for people crossing the street.

And yes hypocritical.

Nothing new there.

At least I can admit it.......

steamboat1 · Sep 10, 2016

deadheadskier said:
At least I can admit it.......

Very good....you admit to being a hypocrit.

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deadheadskier · Sep 10, 2016

steamboat1 said:
Very good....you admit to being a hypocrit.

.

When it's applicable. Something you're entirely incapable of......

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