Jay Peak Conceptual Development Plan (2011-2016)

BenedictGomez said:

Jay Peak doesnt sell pizza.

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Is this some kinda joke? The pizza shop used to be under the tram. When they put in the Tram Lodge, pizza got moved to the International Room. Now there is a pizza shop in the new Hotel Jay (Mountain Dick's or something like that).

I'm also puzzled by the dual lift for Doll. One lift would hit all of the terrain. But I guess they need more uphill capacity for all the new visits they are gonna have......

Playing in Google Earth:

West Bowl from the top of the Flyer...



From the north end of Gilpin Mtn.

The drawn out rendering above is so cool!

One more.

From the Flyer - Goat intersection

QUOTE: "8. Mr. Elander presented a new master plan map. Mr. Elander and Mr. Moore reviewed it with the board and answered questions about the plan. They stated their next projects for permitting are, the Lodge and Townhouse project, the renovation of the Australia house, and a new mountain learning center. He said this will change the resort wide Planned Unit Development map and he will submit a new map to the board." END QUOTE


So, is the lift re-arrangement still planned for this summer? From these meeting minutes, it seems like they want to rebuild the lodge first.

Oh, come on, All I personally want for next year is the lift upgrade--that bonnie chair seems to always be slower every time I ride it! (much slower than the Jet--has anyone timed it?)

However, that chair can be a blessing when the flyer is on wind-hold.

Which brings up another question: What were the final results of wind--measuring on the new "Powerline" 6-pack liftline? Is it windy by Saint George's prayer? Hopefully the lift to Saint George will be a Saintly blessing, not a curse! :lol:

A good article on JPR and the EB-5 program and an explanation as to the recent break-up with their EB-5 investor locator:

http://www.7dvt.com/2012vermont-eb-5-visas

riverc0il said:

Is this some kinda joke? The pizza shop used to be under the tram. When they put in the Tram Lodge, pizza got moved to the International Room. Now there is a pizza shop in the new Hotel Jay (Mountain Dick's or something like that).

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Vermont pizza is just comparable to nyc pizzas, i think they can make it better with english bread and mozzarella and pasta sauce, some bad pizza up their, sorry but that's the truth.

NEK- nice work. its a pretty short steep section under Doll, typical J topography. I nice quick pitch and a nice long run out to think about how fun those 30 sec of pitch were :razz:

you guys are comical, a pretty indicative of the shift they are looking for I suppose, concerned about pizza and lift speeds.

thetrailboss said:

A good article on JPR and the EB-5 program and an explanation as to the recent break-up with their EB-5 investor locator:

http://www.7dvt.com/2012vermont-eb-5-visas

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That is a VERY interesting article. I've had too much wine to make an intelligent comment at the moment.

Kudos to NEK for the mapping, that is very cool. I don't get the two lifts either, maybe there is something we are missing. And woo hoo, JFK to Ullr's again. But the trees could be awesome on the right day.

You know, in 40years of skiing at Jay I have never eaten pizza there. Stateside Calm Chowder FTW!

Scotty said:

Vermont pizza is just comparable to nyc pizzas, i think they can make it better with english bread and mozzarella and pasta sauce, some bad pizza up their, sorry but that's the truth.

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The pizza at Jay Peak base lodge doesn't really represent the entire state.

riverc0il said:

Is this some kinda joke? The pizza shop used to be under the tram. When they put in the Tram Lodge, pizza got moved to the International Room. Now there is a pizza shop in the new Hotel Jay (Mountain Dick's or something like that).

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Both yes, and no.

Scotty said:

Vermont pizza is just comparable to nyc pizzas, i think they can make it better with english bread and mozzarella and pasta sauce, some bad pizza up their, sorry but that's the truth.

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Pizza in not only Vermont, but New England in general is utter garbage for the most part. I know New Haven has some famous pizza places and you've got some decent ones in Boston such as Posto and Santarpio's, but overall for every 1 great pizza place in New England, there are 9 decent ones and 90 garbage ones. There's that saying, "Pizza is like sex, even when it's bad, it's still pretty good." If by "pretty good" the saying means, "edible" than yes, I agree. Shitty pizza is still a major disappointment in my book.

The biggest reason most pizza sucks is using cheap flour for the dough and not having good ovens. At minimum, "0" flour is good for pizza dough, but "00" flour is really what you want. Most places use cheap A/P flour, not even a decent bread flour. The dough is supposed to be the cheapest ingredient of the pie. It's also the most important part of the pie IMO. You can have great sauce and fresh creative toppings, but if the dough sucks, you are wasting your time.

Sick Bird Rider said:

That is a VERY interesting article

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Yes, that was actually some fine reporting right there, very well done.

Stenger disputes the allegations and provided documentation showing that sales for the season are up 38 percent — or $5.7 million — over last year’s, despite the mild weather.

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In his cluttered office inside a rickety, old, faux-Swiss chalet, Stenger pulls out a stack of records showing that during a peak week in 2005, he had 385 workers on staff — many seasonal — and doled out $142,500 in payroll. During the same week this year, 877 workers were employed and payroll reached $751,000.

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It is hard to judge based on one peek weekend, but I don't know if a 38% increase is sales (sales mind you, not profit after other non-labor costs) is sustainable enough to cover a 425% increase in labor. It would be interesting to get the seasonal/part time versus full time break down as well, I think it is safe to assume the majority of labor dollars during a peak week are not full time. I was stunned when I heard the sales increase a while back, I equally stunned at that labor figure. That could be why the EB-5 firm went hostile on Jay.

To ensure that each of those who invested at least $500,000 in his enterprise receives a green card, Stenger will eventually have to show that the expansion created 5000 jobs. That figure can include jobs outside the company payroll; indirect jobs created through construction or the increased use of neighboring services also count.

Despite the government’s role in securing investors by providing them visas, neither those analyses nor any other reports about the projects are available to the public. That means “job creation can be claimed via an economist’s report, not a head count,” says Oder, the Atlantic Yards watchdog.

To Stenger, who provided reports indicating that Jay Peak’s expansion has created 2820 direct or indirect jobs thus far, the proof is in the pudding.

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I'm having a hard time imagining 5000 new jobs created any where in the NEK (including indirect or otherwise), even considering Jay's massive build up plans. Can anyone report any other business development in Jay, Montgomery, Troy, or Newport indirectly related to Jay's development? 2820 new jobs so far? Where are all those people living? Could there have been that many unemployed that needed jobs? Is Bill counting temporary/seasonal increased that don't actually count towards EB-5 standards? The numbers in this article really scratch my head.

I don't know how any one could be against this program unless your an uber extreme socialist that fundamentally believes everyone should be economically equal despite the fact that that restricts development and tech progress. But I also can see the challenges in measuring the success of these programs and businesses taking advantage of the program and not producing results. Since the costs of failure are borne out by the investors, it doesn't seem like the benefiting businesses have enough skin in the job creation game. Not saying Jay Peak isn't getting it done but just an overall comment about the program. I'd love to see more reporting on the job creation side of things and not from the resort's perspective but from the downtown perspective.

Re: Job Creation. I think that they use a pretty large radius.

Had few minutes today to draw this up better:

West Bowl from the snowmaking Pond -



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From above:

Just a few thoughts from a purely 'skiing experience' point of view:

-The new trail in the orchard is one sure way to alienate many of Jay's hardcore wood skiers. This has been said numerous time in various forums. Don't they listen ? This will not improve the intermediate skier's experience significantly (the upper part as a similar gradient to the jet) at the expense of condemning prime woods skiiing.

- Building condos between kokomo and Ull'rs dream is another strange (at best) idea. This is one skiing area with incredible appeal to kids. There is plenty of space to build condos without infringing on good skiing areas.

- Not sure about the new trail in canyonland and how much it will use the existing gladed area.

- They should definitely extend the new triple (old repositioned jet chair) all the way to Taxi to give the option of reaching Bucks Woods just below the official entrance. This is the only action when going back to Tramside. Otherwise you are stuck wih Queen's highway.

Now for the good stuff:

- the traverse toward the West bowl is now positioned at the top of Beaver and Andre's instead of a little bit which is better than nothing.

-This traverse, as well as the lengthening of the collector below Andre's and Beaver will open up some good backcountry options.

- the size of the gladed areas in the west bowl is fantastic. Lots of powder opportunities on snowy days.

- Nobody has mentioned this, but the entrance to the West Bowl glades G5 and G6 are located significntly above the top of Chair L2 (at least 100ft higher). If this is not a mistake, I love the idea of giving relatively easy access to anyone willing to skin or hike for 15 minutes. In particular, the top of G6 is very steep and could easily become a signature glade. Skiing this glade would likely be worth the traverse and the awkward chair lift out of the west bowl.

Overall, the west bowl seems very promising. If they could only get rid of that stupid run through the Orchard, all would be fine.

Francois

Because of the lousy winter this year only one new lift will be going in this summer. A new fixed grip quad will be going in along side of the terrain park to replace the t-bar, per the plans previously posted. The new six pack and relocating the Bonnie has been put off a year.

JPTracker said:

Because of the lousy winter this year only one new lift will be going in this summer. A new fixed grip quad will be going in along side of the terrain park to replace the t-bar, per the plans previously posted. The new six pack and relocating the Bonnie has been put off a year.

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Interesting......

JPTracker said:

Because of the lousy winter this year only one new lift will be going in this summer. A new fixed grip quad will be going in along side of the terrain park to replace the t-bar, per the plans previously posted. The new six pack and relocating the Bonnie has been put off a year.

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GRRR!!! I would have made the Bonnie replacement a priority before the terrain park chair!

Oh well, at least there will be more to do on the wind hold powder days!