Sunshine Ski Resort Fires Ski Patrollers Threads Removed from Internet

Trekchick · Jun 16, 2011

Edd said:
I remember threads on TGR and Epic but I'm pretty sure it didn't pop up on AZ.

The only thing that surprised me about the notice served to EpicSki, is that it took so long for us/them to get served. TGR was pushed to pull their thread almost 2 months ago.

Its a sad day when the privileged bullies can push like that. The good news is that, this kind of bullying and arrogance is likely to backfire on them.
Here is a blog about it from back in February.
http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/clouds-over-sunshine-village/

Has anyone posted the info about Grandpa Scurfeld's death in an avalanche because he ignored his own heli guide about avy danger and went into an area that was deemed unsafe?

I'm guessing the Scurfelds think their "rights" are more important than their life and/or safety.

Nick · Jun 16, 2011

marcski said:
Apparently, deleting threads is something that happens frequently in ski related sites...just look at AZ. Threads (and well regarded posters) get removed here all the time even without and C&D letters....

"all the time".... Really?

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sledhaulingmedic · Jun 16, 2011

It's remarkable how "management" continues to feed the flames of this PR nightmare. This will certainly be in the text books of how not to handle a PR situation.

Nick · Jun 16, 2011

Trekchick said:
The only thing that surprised me about the notice served to EpicSki, is that it took so long for us/them to get served. TGR was pushed to pull their thread almost 2 months ago.

Its a sad day when the privileged bullies can push like that. The good news is that, this kind of bullying and arrogance is likely to backfire on them.
Here is a blog about it from back in February.
http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/clouds-over-sunshine-village/

Has anyone posted the info about Grandpa Scurfeld's death in an avalanche because he ignored his own heli guide about avy danger and went into an area that was deemed unsafe?

I'm guessing the Scurfelds think their "rights" are more important than their life and/or safety.

I hadn't even heard of this before. I'm gonna research it but it sounds unbelievable. So far, AZ hasn't gotten anything, at least not that I know of :-D

deadheadskier · Jun 16, 2011

Sadly,

Sunshine is one of my 'dream' destinations. That whole Lake Louis / Banff area really. Considering it's been a decade since I've been out west, I probably wouldn't have gotten there anyways. Just a crappy situation to read about all around.

JimG. · Jun 16, 2011

sledhaulingmedic said:
It's remarkable how "management" continues to feed the flames of this PR nightmare. This will certainly be in the text books of how not to handle a PR situation.

Hey Ned! Good to hear from you again.

Where have you been?

MadPatSki · Jun 16, 2011

Trekchick said:
The only thing that surprised me about the notice served to EpicSki, is that it took so long for us/them to get served. TGR was pushed to pull their thread almost 2 months ago.

Its a sad day when the privileged bullies can push like that. The good news is that, this kind of bullying and arrogance is likely to backfire on them.
Here is a blog about it from back in February.
http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/clouds-over-sunshine-village/

Has anyone posted the info about Grandpa Scurfeld's death in an avalanche because he ignored his own heli guide about avy danger and went into an area that was deemed unsafe?

I'm guessing the Scurfelds think their "rights" are more important than their life and/or safety.

Hi Trekchic,

There was a few developments in that story. Statement of Defense from the Owner (saying why the 4 were fired) and a counter statement by the patrollers. A pretty interesting read. I notoced that a bunch of the initial stories that I linked to when I posted that peice, be it, forum thread to full out article in online magazine (skiing, etc) have been removed. I've copied them and I had a feeling this would happen (nothing on the internet is forever and I find dead links all the time).

That Facebook page link above is now probably the best place the most up to date info.

I haven't updated that Clouds over Sunshine post I've been busy skiing and blogging, I might revisit in the future.

catskills · Jun 17, 2011

MadPatSki said:
Clouds over Sunshine .

Wow most complete information in one place on this issue. MadPatSki - Awesome job collecting all this information.

This has got to be a movie someday.

tjf67 · Jun 17, 2011

MadPatSki said:
Hi Trekchic,

There was a few developments in that story. Statement of Defense from the Owner (saying why the 4 were fired) and a counter statement by the patrollers. A pretty interesting read. I notoced that a bunch of the initial stories that I linked to when I posted that peice, be it, forum thread to full out article in online magazine (skiing, etc) have been removed. I've copied them and I had a feeling this would happen (nothing on the internet is forever and I find dead links all the time).

That Facebook page link above is now probably the best place the most up to date info.

I haven't updated that Clouds over Sunshine post I've been busy skiing and blogging, I might revisit in the future.

WOW I am ambarrased I never heard of this. Thanks for posting I will have to ask FHW about it.

Trekchick · Jun 20, 2011

Glad to see you here Madpatski!
Good to hear from you, and glad you're still skiing.
I skied Mammoth today and will again tomorrow.........what a great season we're having in the Sierras!

MadPatSki · Jun 21, 2011

Trekchick said:
Glad to see you here Madpatski!
Good to hear from you, and glad you're still skiing.
I skied Mammoth today and will again tomorrow.........what a great season we're having in the Sierras!

Thanks.

Mammoth Mammoth Mammoth...ah memories of one year ago or is it 2005 or 2006? ;-)

I'm kicking myself to find time to get the pictures from last year's trip on my blog, however Jazz fest is starting in Ottawa then it will be the Bluesfest time. Oh yeah, I need to fit some July turns in there somewhere. I've taken a serious options for August and September turns relatively far from any active volcanos.

Have fun at Mammoth, wish I could be there again this year, but I'm not a financially rich man. 8)

Nick · Jun 21, 2011

JimG. said:
I don't recall a thread and I don't recall discussing it as a mod.

Seems overly dramatic to me to take such steps; this will only bring more attention to the issue.

I don't think there was a thread here previously. I haven't had any notices or anything come in but I'll let you guys know if I do. I've never been in that situation before (cease & desist) so I'm not sure yet how I"d handle it. I'd like to stick up my middle finger, but not necessarily at the expense of the entire community going under based on some legal wrangle.

If we ever got anything in the mail I'd have to really spend some time thinking about how to handle it on a case by case basis. I really can't see anything here (yet) as being slanderous in any capacity, and even if it was I'm not really clear on what that might mean.

I'll stick up for the community as best I can, that's what I promise to all you guys (and gals!

)

bvibert · Jul 28, 2011

Sunshine village responds to Powder's article on the subject:
http://www.powdermag.com/stories/re-making-locals-jaded/

Glenn · Jul 28, 2011

A very interesting turn of events. Amazing when more information comes out.

wa-loaf · Jul 28, 2011

Glenn said:
A very interesting turn of events. Amazing when more information comes out.

I don't know if changes much. They didn't really address the accusations.

People attacking little kids on Youtube is pretty weak though. Nobody is really looking good in this.

bvibert · Jul 28, 2011

wa-loaf said:
I don't know if changes much. They didn't really address the accusations.

People attacking little kids on Youtube is pretty weak though. Nobody is really looking good in this.

Agreed. They're probably playing it smart by not commenting on an open case though (they are in the middle of a lawsuit with the patroller's correct?).

Neither side looks good for sure. Harassing a 12 year old on the internet must have made them feel really good about themselves...

Glenn · Jul 28, 2011

Or the classy ones who called up the 1-800 line and got nasty with the operators.

filejw · Jul 28, 2011

bvibert said:
Sunshine village responds to Powder's article on the subject:
http://www.powdermag.com/stories/re-making-locals-jaded/

Corporate spin is what this is called. I have been around long enough to see though this nonreply to the public, they didn't respond in any meaningful way .Will just take them off my list of places to stop when in Alberta. Just don' t need to deal with a place that lets the owners kid get away with "do you know who I am" crap. .

Edd · Jul 28, 2011

filejw said:
Corporate spin is what this is called. I have been around long enough to see though this nonreply to the public, they didn't respond in any meaningful way .

Essentially correct. The statement made a good effort to cast the other party in a negative light for obvious reasons.

I sure am curious but I doubt we'll ever hear the true story. I'm skeptical that Sunshine will suffer a meaningful business loss in the long run as a result of this. Will the locals boycott and, if they do, will it matter? What's the ratio of the local market vs. the visitors? It's a hot topic in the world of ski forums but the typical destination traveler won't have a clue.

SkiDork · Jul 29, 2011

Sunshine Resort said:
Those who spread hatred on the Internet behind an anonymous identity are no more defenders of free speech than vigilantes are defenders of civil rights.

+1

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