• Welcome to AlpineZone, the largest online community of skiers and snowboarders in the Northeast!

    You may have to REGISTER before you can post. Registering is FREE, gets rid of the majority of advertisements, and lets you participate in giveaways and other AlpineZone events!

12/25/2019: A very merry Christmas at Attitash

abc

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2008
Messages
4,229
Points
48
Location
Lower Hudson Valley
Condition: well groomed man-made snow, sun and cloud, very light crowd

Got the before 10. Not much crowd to speak off. Parked next to the tunnel entrance (there’re others prefer to park such to walk right across the road, which had almost no traffic).

Its my first time there. Not knowing anything about the mountain, I did the obvious, of getting on the Summit triple. Well, it’s a looong and slooow ride! I nearly fell to sleep on the chair ride.

But the view from the top of the summit is really nice. The day’s not the brightest today. I imagine it’d be gorgeous on a bright sunny day.

Also on the way, I got to look at the trails it crossed. They looked freshly groomed and in good shape. So I ripped it! Not bad at all. This coming from someone who doesn’t care much for groomers much except to use them to get to the trees and bumps. Today, there’s no expectation of any bumps, let alone trees. So groomers zooming is all I expected and I’d say I’m not disappointed.

Back up on the Flying Yankee. Much better. In fact, I nearly missed the dismount as I didn’t expect it to come so quickly (was intensely studying trail map). A couple quick laps of the lower mountain to warm up. Then it’s back on the slow summit triple to take on the 2 blacks that were open. Good steep trails to get the legs working.

Then it’s time to explore the Bear side. Only a few top to bottom routes. Quickly covered those. Turns out the trail to get back to Attitash had the best snow. So changed my mind and did another lap on the “roundabout” route to the bottom.

Time for lunch. Plenty of tables.

Just when I was almost done eating, someone asked if they could share my table. That’s when I noticed the increased presence of ... people! They also mentioned the slopes we’re getting a little busy, and starting to get scraped off. So I hurried outside to do some more runs while the ”masses” eat lunch.

By the time the post-lunch crowd came out, I was ready to quit. There’s only so many laps I care to do of the 5-6 different top to bottom routes. Still, a nice day.

A very merry skiing Christmas day no less!

I must say I’m impressed with my 1st visit to Attitash. I’ll add that to my list for when I’m in the area.
 
Last edited:

prsboogie

Active member
Joined
Aug 13, 2014
Messages
1,758
Points
38
Location
Swansea
Glad you had a good day out. They do have a bunch of fun trails and crowds are usually at a minimum (compared to many other areas). Redundant statement alert...if they had better access to the summit it would be even better. Not sure they would ever brake any records for skier visits if they added a HSQ to the top but I guess that is partly why they have never replaced the dinosaur triple, no ROI.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using AlpineZone mobile app
 

abc

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2008
Messages
4,229
Points
48
Location
Lower Hudson Valley
Drove by today on my way home (after a couple hours of xc skiing). The parking lot looked almost full!

Though the lifts and slopes didn't look too busy still. Could be the people were having their lunch break though. Anyway, crowd doesn't appear to be too much of an issue from where I'm looking at.
 

kickstand

Member
Joined
May 18, 2005
Messages
925
Points
16
Location
Wakefield, MA
Glad you had a good day out. They do have a bunch of fun trails and crowds are usually at a minimum (compared to many other areas). Redundant statement alert...if they had better access to the summit it would be even better. Not sure they would ever brake any records for skier visits if they added a HSQ to the top but I guess that is partly why they have never replaced the dinosaur triple, no ROI.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using AlpineZone mobile app

The upper half of the mountain is on forest service land. The permits are a pain in the rear to get to upgrade the summit triple. Won't happen any time soon. And to be honest, I enjoy the slow trip up. Plenty of time to recover and lots of time for conversation.
 

deadheadskier

Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
25,743
Points
48
Location
Southeast NH
At the very least they should put conveyor loading on the triple and speed it up by 20%. Bring the ride down from 15 minutes to 12.

I don't ski Attitash frequently. I basically only go there during natural snow droughts when I'm bored with the limited groomer terrain at Cat or I'll also head there in the spring because it softens much earlier in the day. I dig the trails off the top of the triple, it's the best terrain on the mountain. But I get annoyed coming from the badass quad at Cat easily skiing 10k vert an hour to less than half that at Tash.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app
 

dblskifanatic

Member
Joined
May 24, 2019
Messages
299
Points
18
Never had good experiences at Attitash. Went on days where the Ride and Ski event was and every time is was super firm. Did not enjoy the slow summit lift either. The quad put too many people on Highway - the cross cross that cuts up the black runs creating weird traffic patterns when it is busy. Bear is IMO the better side but the lift line has typically been deep. The lodge gets easily over crowded.


Sent from my iPhone using AlpineZone
 

Edd

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
5,457
Points
48
Location
Newmarket, NH
I’ll ski Attitash every year between 1-3 times or so. I enjoy spring days there, taking it slow and having beers on the deck at the Attitash side. That’ll only be if there’s an issue with Wildcat, which happens with the elevation difference.


Sent from my iPhone using AlpineZone
 

abc

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2008
Messages
4,229
Points
48
Location
Lower Hudson Valley
Bear is IMO the better side but the lift line has typically been deep. The lodge gets easily over crowded.
I’m surprised about that. I would have thought Bear side would be the quiet side.

Wasn’t busy Christmas day. But yesterday was much busier as I drove by. Parking lot was packed. Lots of people milling about.
 

Newpylong

Active member
Joined
Dec 20, 2005
Messages
3,302
Points
38
Location
Upper Valley, NH
The upper half of the mountain is on forest service land. The permits are a pain in the rear to get to upgrade the summit triple. Won't happen any time soon. And to be honest, I enjoy the slow trip up. Plenty of time to recover and lots of time for conversation.

The permits will not be worse than a VT ACT 250 filing, IE you file a year in advance and expect to do your homework. Permits are not the impediment to replacement, it's been ownership.

There was another mechanical issue this weekend, hopefully it factors into Broomfield's decision.
 

Edd

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
5,457
Points
48
Location
Newmarket, NH
Hopefully Katz recognizes soon that the main summit lift at his third largest Eastern toy is a hunk of crap and pathetic even when it does run.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app

Maybe 4th largest, right? Stowe, Okemo, Mt Snow. And probably not the 4th busiest with Sunapee and Hunter in the mix.

I wonder if Attitash itself is as valuable as the cost of a HSQ to the summit.
 

snoseek

Active member
Joined
Jun 7, 2006
Messages
5,211
Points
38
Location
NH
Website
www.bushslastday.com
I'm not convinced Vail will do all that much there. They don't seem to invest all that much on areas that don't make them a shitload of money. They've not done any replacement at Kirkwood since they bought in 2012 and some of those lifts are pretty beat up.
 

deadheadskier

Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
25,743
Points
48
Location
Southeast NH
Maybe 4th largest, right? Stowe, Okemo, Mt Snow. And probably not the 4th busiest with Sunapee and Hunter in the mix.

I wonder if Attitash itself is as valuable as the cost of a HSQ to the summit.
probably right. 4th largest. And yes, probably 6th busiest.

I think if they were to look at the history of Attitash, they used to average around 200k skier visits. These days more like 150k. I attribute that loss almost entirely on them having the crappiest summit lift of any major Eastern ski area.

50k skiers is a ton of revenue to be missing.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app
 

Edd

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
5,457
Points
48
Location
Newmarket, NH
Interesting, as the cost of real estate in the area has risen sharply in recent years. I think Cranmore is doing decent business. Honestly not sure about BW or even Wildcat because I only go weekdays.


Sent from my iPad using AlpineZone
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2005
Messages
938
Points
18
probably right. 4th largest. And yes, probably 6th busiest.

I think if they were to look at the history of Attitash, they used to average around 200k skier visits. These days more like 150k. I attribute that loss almost entirely on them having the crappiest summit lift of any major Eastern ski area.

50k skiers is a ton of revenue to be missing.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app
This is right on.

1998 was the last year that Attitash got a new lift (Flying Yankee). Since then, the following NH resorts installed high speed lifts:

Bretton Woods (x3)
Cannon
Crotched
Gunstock
Loon (x2)
Ragged (x2)
Sunapee (x2 if you include the summit, which was also installed in 1998)

Cranmore and BW also installed new beginner lifts since 1998, and the double-doubles at Attitash are an abomination. My solution (which won't happen) would be to replace the summit triple with a six pack. Install a mid unload just above highway to make the Yankee unnecessary. Move the Yankee to the double-doubles.

Sent from my VS988 using AlpineZone mobile app
 

kickstand

Member
Joined
May 18, 2005
Messages
925
Points
16
Location
Wakefield, MA
The permits will not be worse than a VT ACT 250 filing, IE you file a year in advance and expect to do your homework. Permits are not the impediment to replacement, it's been ownership.

https://www.newenglandskihistory.com/NewHampshire/attitash.php

"The original Old Reliable double chairlift was finally retired following the 1997-98 season. In its place, the Flying Yankee Express high speed quad was installed. Its relatively short length could be attributed to the private property boundary and thus avoidance of significant National Forest permits and lease fees."

It's not an official Attitash site, but these guys seem to have a good idea what's going on. Combine it with the limited downhill capacity from the summit, and it's highly unlikely they will put in a HS quad.
 

Newpylong

Active member
Joined
Dec 20, 2005
Messages
3,302
Points
38
Location
Upper Valley, NH
I typically don't post conjecture on here.

If the money is ever obtained, the snowmaking on Wildred's will be replaced (since a Boyd froze it, had a hissy fit, and ordered it disconnected permanently). With that fixed there is sufficient downhill capacity and they will install a HSQ.

The wish list also includes doing something with the double doubles.
 

deadheadskier

Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
25,743
Points
48
Location
Southeast NH
Move the triple with carpet load to the double doubles.

Could also reduce number of chairs to limit downhill capacity from a summit HSQ

For whatever psychological reason, most modern skiers are fine with a 14 minute lift line for a 6 minute ride vs a 6 minute lift line for a 14 minute ride.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using AlpineZone mobile app
 
Top