It ain't right I tell ya

[highpeaksdrifter]

How do Deer Valley, Alta, Taos and MRG get away with not allowing snowboarders? If they decimated on just about any other basis there would be lawsuits. As snowboarders age into their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s will these resorts still consider these older riders undesirable? It just strikes me as un-American to discriminate for any reason. Please share your opinion. BTW, I’m a 51-year-old skier. My kids all ski too, so I have no personal ax to grind.

 

[bvibert]

I'm not sure if you saw it or not, but we had a pretty long thread or two on this back in March...

Snowboard Ban???

 

[bvibert]

I don't think I'd call it discrimination. Snowboarders choose to ride a board and by doing so they choose not to be allowed to use MRG. They could just as easily choose to ski. Its not like they are born with snowboards attached to their feet. Think of it this way, you can't go to an ice skating rink and go bowling can you?

 

[noski]

MRG and Boards

Remember, MRG is a cooperative of skiers. The shareholders who own those shares vote on this. Until they vote otherwise, then the rules they set are the rules.

 

[Rushski]

Some roller skating rinks have actually allowed inline skaters in the past few years. Many have not. It is just a matter of demand. If a ski area does not need to allow boarders to be profittable that is their choice...

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

I have np axe to grind with snowboarders. Some of my best friends know someone who snowboards

I could give a hoot about Dear Valet, but I really do like the other three, a lot. The no board policies have little to do with why I like them, however.

I have trouble with calling these policies "discrimination". It is surprising that they survive, even thrive, with these policies.

 

[ctenidae]

Business decisions should be left up to the business. You don't like it, don't go there.

I'm pretty upset the local pool won't let me bring my horse, though. And don't even get me started on bowling at skating rinks.

 

[thetrailboss]

How do Deer Valley, Alta, Taos and MRG get away with not allowing snowboarders?

Here we go again...opening up the floodgates to

:argue: :beer: :smash: :flame: :uzi: :evil: uke: :argue: :beer: :dunce: :idea: :evil: :x :flag:

Buckle your seatbelts.

 

[bvibert]

I'm pretty upset the local pool won't let me bring my horse, though.

Trying to get a little water polo in? That aint right, they should totally let you bring your horse in! :evil:

 

[kickstand]

I have trouble with calling these policies "discrimination". It is surprising that they survive, even thrive, with these policies.

why is that? I know people who go to these places BECAUSE they don't allow boards.

 

[RISkier]

How do Deer Valley, Alta, Taos and MRG get away with not allowing snowboarders? If they decimated on just about any other basis there would be lawsuits. As snowboarders age into their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s will these resorts still consider these older riders undesirable? It just strikes me as un-American to discriminate for any reason. Please share your opinion. BTW, I’m a 51-year-old skier. My kids all ski too, so I have no personal ax to grind.

It's a form of discrimination but it's not discrimination based on ascribed characteristics like race, gender, or age. It's somewhat analogous to an Italian restaurant that doesn't sell burgers and fries -- it effectively discriminates between those who like Italian food and those who only like burgers and fries. I do think some folks may be attracted to these places because they aren't open to boarders but it woundn't be economically viable for most areas.

 

[riverc0il]

discrimination is a very bad term for the snowboard ban. discrimination "implies" discrimination against a person or group of people. however, the "discrimination" in this case is not against a person or group of people but rather a piece of equipment. as a business decision, there is a demand for a ski area with a retro ski attitude. enough skiers demand and pay for the opportunity to ski at these locations to make it a sound business decision to support a demand. it just happens to be that a few of these ski areas are legendarily known as the best ski areas in their respective regions let's face it, this would be a non-issue if we were talking about tenney or some other place like that.

boarders can still ride MRG. they just gotta earn their turns or pick up a different piece of equipment. would i be upset if MRG was boarder only as a skier? ignorance is bliss they say, but if i knew how good MRG is, i'd likely be a little miffed. but i think i'd get over it and skin up for some freshies some morning and ski chute when the lift started. ya know?

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Think of it this way, you can't go to an ice skating rink and go bowling can you?

Interesting analogy, but how about this one? Your friends can go to a lake and bring their canoes or rowboats, but you can’t go there and use your kayak. Well how come? It’s water and all three are environmentally friendly water crafts that you paddle to get around the lake. I think it’s the same way with going down a mountain, ski, snowboard, tele it’s all good and all fun, it’s just a matter of what you prefer.

 

[sledhaulingmedic]

...would i be upset if MRG was boarder only as a skier? ignorance is bliss they say, but if i knew how good MRG is, i'd likely be a little miffed.

Actually, that might make me take up snowboarding.

 

[riverc0il]

Actually, that might make me take up snowboarding.

you really think you'd be that desperate? :lol:

here is another thought: ALL ski areas already restrict equipment on their slopes. for example, snow mobiles are not allowed. is the snow mobile population pissed because they are missing out on some epic trails up and down some of the highest peaks in new england? does it matter? ski areas are for skiers and riders, not snowmobilers. and MRG and the rest are for skis, not snowboards. of course, i carry a two plank bias and i understand the desire for a boarder to shred some of the best in bounds in new england. but i don't agree with the arguement that a snow board ban is inherently wrong.

look at golf. they can not let you play at certain places if you don't wear the correct dress! grunge generation enite and end the shameful discrimination! :lol:

 

[awf170]

look at golf. they can not let you play at certain places if you don't wear the correct dress!

Speaking of this, when i went to park city this year, you can ski free at deer valley with ur plane tickets, so if we got a early flight me and my dad were going to put on our crapiest clothes and tons of duct tape and go over to deer valley. I was ready with my crappy 20 year old MVP sports anorak that cost $30(i actually wore this for 2 seasons)

 

[bvibert]

Think of it this way, you can't go to an ice skating rink and go bowling can you?

Interesting analogy, but how about this one? Your friends can go to a lake and bring their canoes or rowboats, but you can’t go there and use your kayak. Well how come? It’s water and all three are environmentally friendly water crafts that you paddle to get around the lake. I think it’s the same way with going down a mountain, ski, snowboard, tele it’s all good and all fun, it’s just a matter of what you prefer.

Thats a good analogy, but I still don't think its dicrimination. Sure it sucks if you want to kayak on that lake. The reasons that you can't may not be apparent to you, but who ever manages the lake has their reasons, good or bad...

 

[kickstand]

Think of it this way, you can't go to an ice skating rink and go bowling can you?

Interesting analogy, but how about this one? Your friends can go to a lake and bring their canoes or rowboats, but you can’t go there and use your kayak. Well how come? It’s water and all three are environmentally friendly water crafts that you paddle to get around the lake. I think it’s the same way with going down a mountain, ski, snowboard, tele it’s all good and all fun, it’s just a matter of what you prefer.

if the lake is privately owned and their rules prohibit kayaks, then I persuade my friends to go somewhere else if we're all going together. I'm sure it's not the only lake in the area.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Thats a good analogy, but I still don't think its dicrimination.

dis·crim·i·na·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skrm-nshn)
n.
The act of discriminating.
The ability or power to see or make fine distinctions; discernment.
Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners; discrimination against those with different preferences, snowboarders for example.

Ya see Bert it's even in the dictionary. Come on, snowboarders are people too.

Are there no riders in all of AZ to take up this cause?

 

[David Metsky]

Come on, snowboarders are people too.

And snowboarders are welcome at MRG, just not their snowboards.

Are there no riders in all of AZ to take up this cause?

It's not really a cause. At a cooperatively owned ski area like MRG where the membership have voted time and time again for the snowboard bad, what do you expect to accomplish? It's not like there aren't dozens of other resorts for you to choose from.

Ski areas don't need to be all-inclusive, no business does. They have a business model that works for them, one that wouldn't work for everyone. If they find that it isn't working, they'll change or go out of business. At the current time, that isn't an issue.

-dave-