The Over $300 lift ticket has arrived. FU#K OFF at those prices.

[MidnightJester]

Single-Day Lift Ticket Prices Exceed $300 at U.S. Ski Resorts This Holiday Period - SnowBrains

Here are some absolutely staggering prices across U.S. ski resorts for holiday lift tickets this New Years weekend

snowbrains.com

Vail, Beaver creek, Park city just over $325 and Deer Valley at $319
Here are some of the highest prices throughout the country.

California​

• Heavenly: $283
• Mammoth: $259
• Northstar: $294
• Palisades: $289

Colorado​

• Aspen: $264
• Beaver Creek: $329
• Steamboat: $299
• Vail: $329

‘On the day’ tickets at Vail and Beaver Creek will cost up to $329 over the holiday period | Image: Screenshot

Utah​

• Snowbasin: $219
• Powder Mountain: $239
• Deer Valley: $319
• Park City: $328

Other​

• Mt. Bachelor: $224
• Sun Valley: $255
• Big Sky: $272
• Jackson Hole: $269

Other (east coast)​

• Killington: $199
• Sugarbush: $195
• Okemo: $207
• Stowe: $239

This is going to cause a lot of other mountains to more quickly raise there prices to boot unfortunately. These prices are not even dynamic pricing either I don't believe. Just regular full price gouging.

 

[thetrailboss]

Vail and Alterra. The business model embraced by both is to offer discount season passes and jack up day passes, especially on holiday periods. For most folks on here these prices really mean nothing as we have passes or ski off-peak. I know that while most folks don't pay these prices, there are more than you think who only ski once or twice a year that will.

 

[deadheadskier]

Epic thread idea. Iconic really

 

[BenedictGomez]

On the bright side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices.

On the negative side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices, which will negatively impact future numbers of participants in snowsports.

 

[MidnightJester]

On the bright side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices.

On the negative side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices, which will negatively impact future numbers of participants in snowsports.

What percentage do you think pay those prices on a holiday?

Those prices of just over $300 are now online prices ahead not even walk up day of!
That's over 300 a day average for 3 days @$900 with a 10day advanced purchase

 

[1dog]

On the bright side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices.

On the negative side, (almost) nobody's paying those prices, which will negatively impact future numbers of participants in snowsports.

sounds strangely like hospital prices . . . you know, the ones 'almost nobody pays'.

 

[MidnightJester]

sounds strangely like hospital prices . . . you know, the ones 'almost nobody pays'.

When you have nothing you pay nothing.

WHEN YOU HAVE ANYTHING THEY TAKE EVERYTHING. At hundreds to thousands a day you lose alot of a estate fast! Some ICU's and Critical cares are $4000plus a day not counting any surgeries.

 

[deadheadskier]

What percentage do you think pay those prices on a holiday?

Those prices of just over $300 are now online prices ahead not even walk up day of!
That's over 300 a day average for 3 days @$900 with a 10day advanced purchase

Vail claims 75% of ticket revenue is from passes. They don't say what percentage of customers pre buys day tickets at a discount vs those who pay for the full walk up rectal.

"The ski giant said about 2.3 million skiers have committed to buying one of the company's ski passes by making a non-refundable advanced commitment. Vail expects pass sales to generate over $975 million and account for approximately 75% of skier visits across the company's resorts, the company said."

 

[deadheadskier]

When you have nothing you pay nothing.

WHEN YOU HAVE ANYTHING THEY TAKE EVERYTHING. At hundreds to thousands a day you lose alot of a estate fast! Some ICU's and Critical cares are $4000plus a day not counting any surgeries.

When one considers the sheer number of just medical staff needed to be licensed for ICU care, nevermind the administrative and operational personnel supporting the unit, it is not hard to understand why that costs $4000/day and that most hospitals still lose money in those departments. My understanding from working with many ICU managers is just to break even in an ICU, you need to be at 70% occupancy for what you are staffed for with an average stay of 4 days in the unit or less.

Depending on the level of ICU these positions below need to be on duty 24/7. Lesser ICUs some will be on call overnight, but those low level ICUs don't really exist anymore like they once did. Those hospitals are now all affiliated with larger hospitals and send the patients there. Transfers are quite expensive too.

Doctors:

Intensivist
Neurologist
Cardiologist
Anesthesiologist
Radiologist

Nursing and Support

2:1 Nurse / Patient ratio
Respiratory therapist
EEG tech
X Ray tech
CT tech
MRI Tech
Sonographer
Phlebotomist

Yes, some overlap with other departments, but still an absolutely enormous number of people needed to run an ICU. Nevermind acquiring and maintaining equipment and supplies.

Hospitals basically only make money with their ORs and Labs. And few health systems are making any money at all right now. Even in wealthy and highly insured metro Boston, Beth Israel Lahey Health will lose $1B in 2024. All the major IDNs in ski country are in financial crisis right now.

So, healthcare isn't exactly a great example to compare to the high costs major resorts charge for a leisure activity.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

This is a topic that we haven’t discussed over and over again in a million fucking threads by now, with everyone basically agreeing that day passes are expensive and barely anyone buys them, and having mixed feelings about what the convenience of megapasses does to our home resorts.

Thread should be deleted for necro horse cruelty.

 

[1dog]

When one considers the sheer number of just medical staff needed to be licensed for ICU care, nevermind the administrative and operational personnel supporting the unit, it is not hard to understand why that costs $4000/day and that most hospitals still lose money in those departments. My understanding from working with many ICU managers is just to break even in an ICU, you need to be at 70% occupancy for what you are staffed for with an average stay of 4 days in the unit or less.

Depending on the level of ICU these positions below need to be on duty 24/7. Lesser ICUs some will be on call overnight, but those low level ICUs don't really exist anymore like they once did. Those hospitals are now all affiliated with larger hospitals and send the patients there. Transfers are quite expensive too.

Doctors:

Intensivist
Neurologist
Cardiologist
Anesthesiologist
Radiologist

Nursing and Support

2:1 Nurse / Patient ratio
Respiratory therapist
EEG tech
X Ray tech
CT tech
MRI Tech
Sonographer
Phlebotomist

Yes, some overlap with other departments, but still an absolutely enormous number of people needed to run an ICU. Nevermind acquiring and maintaining equipment and supplies.

Hospitals basically only make money with their ORs and Labs. And few health systems are making any money at all right now. Even in wealthy and highly insured metro Boston, Beth Israel Lahey Health will lose $1B in 2024. All the major IDNs in ski country are in financial crisis right now.

So, healthcare isn't exactly a great example to compare to the high costs major resorts charge for a leisure activity.

and don't forget insurance/liability costs. Not a good comparison, agree. There are no ski areas, large or small forced to make their ER a walk in clinic for those with no insurance or ability to pay for lift tickets. Illness isn't a choice in general, recreation is. I did used to get a reimbursement on my season pass from my healthcare provider in the 90's tho - like a gym membership.

 

[MidnightJester]

This is a topic that we haven’t discussed over and over again in a million fucking threads by now, with everyone basically agreeing that day passes are expensive and barely anyone buys them, and having mixed feelings about what the convenience of megapasses does to our home resorts.

Thread should be deleted for necro horse cruelty.

We can call it one of the Walking dead threads to go along with necro horse cruelty. I might of found a thread that I could of applied it to but the Search is just not searching to help that out.

Seeing the comparison to the Ugly price side of Snow sports is a good thing if trying to figure where to bring someone. Most years its playing catch up to the new price standard before the new crazy prices emerge. Popping the $300 barrier is horrible and makes the next assent to $350 then $400 inevitable. While alot of people do have mega passes there are those that don't or are bringing along a friend or friends that don't have any passes. Those are the ones I see buying last minute or walk up prices.

 

[Quietman]

Sunday River's advance online tickets seem cheap in comparison.

 

[thetrailboss]

When one considers the sheer number of just medical staff needed to be licensed for ICU care, nevermind the administrative and operational personnel supporting the unit, it is not hard to understand why that costs $4000/day and that most hospitals still lose money in those departments. My understanding from working with many ICU managers is just to break even in an ICU, you need to be at 70% occupancy for what you are staffed for with an average stay of 4 days in the unit or less.

Depending on the level of ICU these positions below need to be on duty 24/7. Lesser ICUs some will be on call overnight, but those low level ICUs don't really exist anymore like they once did. Those hospitals are now all affiliated with larger hospitals and send the patients there. Transfers are quite expensive too.

Doctors:

Intensivist
Neurologist
Cardiologist
Anesthesiologist
Radiologist

Nursing and Support

2:1 Nurse / Patient ratio
Respiratory therapist
EEG tech
X Ray tech
CT tech
MRI Tech
Sonographer
Phlebotomist

Yes, some overlap with other departments, but still an absolutely enormous number of people needed to run an ICU. Nevermind acquiring and maintaining equipment and supplies.

Hospitals basically only make money with their ORs and Labs. And few health systems are making any money at all right now. Even in wealthy and highly insured metro Boston, Beth Israel Lahey Health will lose $1B in 2024. All the major IDNs in ski country are in financial crisis right now.

So, healthcare isn't exactly a great example to compare to the high costs major resorts charge for a leisure activity.

Another Epic thread that turned to talking about healthcare. WTF?

 

[MidnightJester]

Another Epic thread that turned to talking about healthcare. WTF?

Healthcare and Snow sports are just a happy and un-happy couple. Who else can send that many regular and major injuries a week to be looked at and checked out. Throw in a few body repairs to boot.

 

[AdironRider]

I was down in Boston tagging along for a work thing for my wife and wanted to take my son to a Celtics game. Cheapest seats in the garden on Stubhub were over 300 bucks for nosebleeds. Sorry kid, you are going to have to be a little older than 4 before I blow that kinda cheddar for a random November basketball game.

Made a lift ticket look cheap in comparison.

 

[2planks2coasts]

When you have nothing you pay nothing.

WHEN YOU HAVE ANYTHING THEY TAKE EVERYTHING. At hundreds to thousands a day you lose alot of a estate fast! Some ICU's and Critical cares are $4000plus a day not counting any surgeries.

Oh it can be much more than that for ICU care, especially if you're on a vent. That's why Canadian insurance companies pay companies like my employer to fly their patients back to Canada ASAP. Even at approx $10k per patient loaded flight hour, it's cheaper than even a brief ICU stay in the US.

Unlike the ICU though, skiers have plenty of choices to avoid those absurd day tix prices. Ski Cooper weekday tix are $45. Even much bigger Loveland routinely has sub $100 day tix bought online in advance. Short of heading overseas for surgery (sometimes a reasonable nonemergency option), health care choice is quite limited.

I'm intentionally leaving out the super low per day cost for the mega pass users. Ikon/Epic/Indy etc. For this conversation, those could be viewed like the "Platinum" health insurance plan. Bought by those with both the anticipation of high use and the means to pay the premium upfront.

 

[BenedictGomez]

What percentage do you think pay those prices on a holiday?

It's gotta' be extremely small. Back in the day I can tell you a resort the size of Stowe would have about 14'ish people selling lift tickets on a weekend, in various booths or indoor configurations, and they'd often be SLAMMED. Today, a much bigger resort like Park City has a few people on each side of the mountain, and most of their day is spent playing on their cellphones.

 

[BenedictGomez]

This is a topic that we haven’t discussed over and over again in a million fucking threads by now, with everyone basically agreeing that day passes are expensive and barely anyone buys them, and having mixed feelings about what the convenience of megapasses does to our home resorts.

Thread should be deleted for necro horse cruelty.

Merry Christmas.

 

[JimG.]

Vail and Alterra. The business model embraced by both is to offer discount season passes and jack up day passes, especially on holiday periods. For most folks on here these prices really mean nothing as we have passes or ski off-peak. I know that while most folks don't pay these prices, there are more than you think who only ski once or twice a year that will.

Many of those onesey twosey customers just won't bother skiing.