drjeff
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AWESOME!! 'nuff said! 
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Tom Brady, 517 yards
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SkiDork
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I thought he was done last season. I was wrong.
Cannonball
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Pretty F'ing sweet. Although tacking on 99 yards in one play somewhat inflated a 400+ game (which would still be sick). Makes me wonder about the other top yardage records. Were there a few big plays like that?
He sure was on last night...
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I think the NFL has made it too easy to make passes. Touchdowns come fast and cheap now. Maybe that's what the fans want, but I think the corners deserve more of a fighting chance to break up passes.
I was disappointed that the Pats defense wasn't getting more pressure on the QB. It's very early, so hopefully the defense will start to gel better in the next game.
I was disappointed that the Pats defense wasn't getting more pressure on the QB. It's very early, so hopefully the defense will start to gel better in the next game.
drjeff
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I can see both sides of the touchdown/defense equation. First off, I think that most fans (especially the more casual fan that makes up a significant portion of the total NFL fanbase), would rather see a 35-28 game than a 10-7 game. And I think that most serious fan enjoy a display of offensive firepower too.
Secondly, with the size and speed that corners, safeties, and even some linebackers have these days and how many of them seem to have become more focused on the big hit instead of the tackle of a receiver (who might very well be stretched out and defenseless), you do have to take into account the physical safety of the receiver, since they way things have been going the last few years it seems like its only a matter of time until a marquee name receiver sustains a career ending (and potentially life threatening injury) from a big hit, and you do have to take that into account. As much as the big hit is an exciting play to see for the fans, I'd much rather see a greater emphasis on the "tackle" instead of the "hit" and get to see that receiver catching balls for a longer career.
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I'd say the big hit syndrome is a consequence of the rules that have turned it into a passing league. If you're not allowed to touch the receiver or disrupt their route until they catch the ball, about all you have left to stop them is making a big hit to make them drop the ball, or intimidate them from making the catch. Now they are trying to stop big hits, so what's left for the secondary to do? Not much, so teams are running up record passing yards and high scores. I think they should loosen up the pass interference rules a little.
drjeff
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I totally think that they do need to free up the defenders for some more hand checking and light contact downfield. The way the rules are now, its almost getting to the point of glorified flag football style rules once you leave the line of scrimmage until the ball is caught. Should the defender be able to grab and pull the hand/arm of a receiver awy before the ball gets there?? No way. Should the defender be able to do some hand checking to the body and/or bumping in an attempt to get to the ball and NOT have to worry about being flagged for pass interference, YUP.
As for passing and scoring records too. Lets be honest. The offensive schemes run by a modern offense these days and the physical size and speed of the players is playing a bit of a roll in that too. And if you've got a GREAT receiver, they can make a QB look much better than they really are. Heck, I'll admit as a big Brady cheerleader, he's one heck of a talent, but that 3 seasons ago, I will fully admit that the catches and the totally different dynamic that a fully committed Randy Moss gave him made him look even better, even if all his passes weren't dead on target
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TheBEast
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ESPN had the stats up. Five other QBs had 500+ yard games, now there are 6. Dan Marino was among them. Don't remember the others.
Cannonball
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Yeah, I saw that. My question is: Did random big plays create those numbers? Henne had basically the same passing yardage (416) as Brady last night....except for the one 99yard play. So it was really that one big Welker play that bumped Brady into the top 6 and left Henne in obscurity.
Why discount Brady's perfect pass that set Welker up for that score? And what about the other two guys who passed for more yards than Henne?
1 Tom Brady, QB NE 48 32 66.7 517 10.77 99 4 1 1 121.6 517
2 Cam Newton, QB CAR 37 24 64.9 422 11.41 77 2 1 4 110.4 422
3 Drew Brees, QB NO 49 32 65.3 419 8.55 36 3 0 3 112.5 419
4 Chad Henne, QB MIA 49 30 61.2 416 8.49 31 2 1 4 93.6 416
And of those 4 QBs I would argue that Cam Newtown had the most impressive game seeing that it was his first NFL start.
SkiDork
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From Wiki:
500-yard games:
Quarterbacks have thrown for at least 500 yards passing eleven times; most recently, Tom Brady threw for 517 yards against the Miami Dolphins in 2011. Norm Van Brocklin holds the NFL record with 554 yards passing in 1951. The other 500-yard passers include
500-yard games:
Quarterbacks have thrown for at least 500 yards passing eleven times; most recently, Tom Brady threw for 517 yards against the Miami Dolphins in 2011. Norm Van Brocklin holds the NFL record with 554 yards passing in 1951. The other 500-yard passers include
- Warren Moon 527 yards
- Boomer Esiason 522 yards
- Dan Marino 521 yards
- Tom Brady 517 yards
- Phil Simms 513 yards
- Drew Brees 510 yards
- Vince Ferragamo 509 yards
- Elvis Grbac 504 yards
- Y.A. Tittle 505 yards
- Ben Roethlisberger 503 yards.
TheBEast
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Good point. Would be interesting to know.
Edit: I see a researching among us has already found the complete 500+ yard passing list.
Missed the game as I'm out in Missouri on business but did follow it a bit on Sportstap. Go Pats!
Black Phantom
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Are you drumming up business at Snow Creek? Trip Report to follow?
I would agree with this....5 yard throw and 95 yards run by the receiver should never be 100 yards for the qb..He did nothing after the throw..
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He did nothing after the throw, but he may have made the whole run possible. Good QB's can move the safeties and coverage around by staring down one receiver and then throwing to a different one, or reading the defense and changing the play to one that will break loose for 95 yards. So it's hard to say how much of the run after the catch was due to the QB. He did pick who he threw it to after all.
true
but several times a game, a QB does his job and puts the ball right on a WRs hands and they drop it. The QB did his job, but doesn't get the stat.
There are also times in games where the WR tries to cut back and actually gains less yardage than the point where he caught the ball. QB loses in that situation.
On that 99 yard play, Welker deserves credit for getting open and the stiff arm, but the only reason it went to the house is because of the defensive scheme and Brady reading it correctly. If Miami was playing a cover 2, Wes likely gets tackled by the safety rolling over. It was an exploitation of the safeties cheating up on Brady's part. Watch the replay and you'll see that he is looking for the 1 on 1 on both sides and audibles the Tight End into protection off route to cover a strong side blitz and then makes the read on which safety is out of position to help.
I think the stat is measured correctly. WRs in the Patriots offense (or the Colts where Manning is equally as smart) only get the catches and YAC they do because of the QB calling audibles and making the right checks to get the man the ball in space.
Brady was WAY more responsible for those 99 yards than Welker was.
