HPD
Out of curiosity, do you take the owners and moderators of Epicski to task with how they run their site?
Out of curiosity, do you take the owners and moderators of Epicski to task with how they run their site?
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when will killington be sold?
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Sheesh...talk about ruining a perfectly good Killington bitch session.
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We had this same topic just a month ago.....Its like a bad dream.
AdironRider
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Why was my previous post deleted?
Opps. My bad hit the wrong button. Repost if you like.
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Interesting, wrong button....
repost to come when I have time to type it all out again.
repost to come when I have time to type it all out again.
Really?? You think I have time to play games. I thought I was in my post but I was in yours. Like I said my bad.
highpeaksdrifter
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Never...when there I feel like a visitor....here I feel like part of the community. Also, I'm not trying to take anyone to task, I just made a suggestion regarding reinstating GSS. Alot of people feel he got a bum deal...not just me.
RootDKJ
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So I've skied a lot with Doug the past few seasons and I've gotten to know him a bit as well. In person, he's harmless, albeit not always appropriate. You really can't take him too seriously either. He's a funny guy, even when he's not trying to be. On the snow, he's a pretty talented skier. Not many people can carve on 110mm sticks at Blue Mountain. If you meet up with him on a pow day, and he'll show you a new stash or two.
I think he's made some recent positive improvements in his live and genuinely wants to share he skiing (and ever thought that creeps into his brain about skiing) with everyone again. I also think he's sorry for what happened, but his pride might be getting in the way. Even though he's been IP banned, he's learned how to proxy around that, and lurks here sometimes. I even sent him a link to thread earlier. I don't know of anyone who has a passion for our sport as much as Doug does.
I think he's made some recent positive improvements in his live and genuinely wants to share he skiing (and ever thought that creeps into his brain about skiing) with everyone again. I also think he's sorry for what happened, but his pride might be getting in the way. Even though he's been IP banned, he's learned how to proxy around that, and lurks here sometimes. I even sent him a link to thread earlier. I don't know of anyone who has a passion for our sport as much as Doug does.
highpeaksdrifter
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Well ok, but it seems like only the mods are complaining. Also several mods in this thread have suggested that if members (members in good standing if I might add) don't like the rules here to go somewhere else. How about anyone who doesn't like where this thread is going doesn't have to read it.
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You guys have time to ban people for posting a thread on when Killington would be sold.....anyways screw being on the clock, here goes again.
Deadhead, Im perfectly cool, you seem to be the one taking offense for a couple members providing some constructive criticism. I also find it interesting that all other moderators have had to chime in with their two cents (and to be fair, I only have issue with your defense on this issue Deadhead, but interesting to note). Talking to me about high school locker room crap, then immediately acting like the bully and telling me to either take it or else. Way to take the high road.
And hate to burst your bubble, this website is what it is due to traffic. You might think your internet all stars, but its us the regular posters who keep coming back and driving the websites traffic that make this place what it is. Continue to bash us when we make suggestions (and I think it says something when three individual posters comment on the moderation style here), and we will leave. Like you said, there are plenty of other forums out there, you guys arent ALL THAT and might want to take constructive criticism a bit better moving forward. Telling us you demand respect is pure crap and you know it. This place exists because of guys like HPD, GSS, and I, not because you guys all kick ass at moderating. Remember that.
Just like there is a difference between trolling and debate, there also a difference between being a good moderator and a terrible one as well.
Deadhead, Im perfectly cool, you seem to be the one taking offense for a couple members providing some constructive criticism. I also find it interesting that all other moderators have had to chime in with their two cents (and to be fair, I only have issue with your defense on this issue Deadhead, but interesting to note). Talking to me about high school locker room crap, then immediately acting like the bully and telling me to either take it or else. Way to take the high road.
And hate to burst your bubble, this website is what it is due to traffic. You might think your internet all stars, but its us the regular posters who keep coming back and driving the websites traffic that make this place what it is. Continue to bash us when we make suggestions (and I think it says something when three individual posters comment on the moderation style here), and we will leave. Like you said, there are plenty of other forums out there, you guys arent ALL THAT and might want to take constructive criticism a bit better moving forward. Telling us you demand respect is pure crap and you know it. This place exists because of guys like HPD, GSS, and I, not because you guys all kick ass at moderating. Remember that.
Just like there is a difference between trolling and debate, there also a difference between being a good moderator and a terrible one as well.
Its like the car wreck you just cant look away from. LOL
highpeaksdrifter
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After almost 2 years what the hell would be so bad about giving the guy another chance? If he acts up again then just ban him again...its not hard. I usually can see both sides of an issue, but with this policy I just can not.
Someone just tell me where the harm would be in giving GSS a chance to do better? I'm sure everybody who posts here have freaked up at something in their lives and got a chance to redeem themselves.
FULL DISCLOSURE: The person who was banned in this thread was Brownsville Brooklyn signed up with a new alias. To date, he has signed up 3 or 4 times with aliases.
but, nice assumption that were so uptight that we'd actually ban someone for a thread concerning when Killington will be sold.
I'm not taking offense to your criticism at all actually. Just explaining my position, one that is mostly shared by the rest of the moderating staff and the owner.
Regarding the high school locker rooms comment; that was a general statement not directed at you. Though it would appear you'd prefer the conversations in this site contain many more flame wars.
Please, I don't think I'm an internet All Star at all. Doubt Jim G, thetrailboss, bvibert et al. think they're internet All Stars either. I'm here to talk about skiing and meet people to ski with, nothing more, nothing less. I have a passion for the sport just like you and all of the other members here.
Out of curiosity. You keep talking about how we are making this huge mistake and how much better the site would be with GSS around. Better how? You think the traffic numbers would be better? Hate to break it to you, but they've only improved with his absence and didn't go down when he left.
Is PAskiandRide more successful than here? I'm told the TGR forums are super busy. I've never been to PAskiandRide. I've looked at TGR only briefly and have no interest. Seems like a massive richard waving site to me. Do they kill it with ad revenue?
You keep talking about how much better it would be for Nick, but I really don't think you care at all about the profitability of his business. You care about what is right for Adironrider. Sorry we're not delivering.
Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
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My two cents, let him back. This place had turned into a circle joint towards the end of Gregs run and if you didn't agree with the "inner circle" you risked being banned. Guys remember the pic of a political rally at a ski resort? When I mentioned that I thought it was political, Brian threatened me saying I had broken a rule, when I asked which rule, he stated something about posting for the sake of starting trouble. I'm sorry if he feels a point of view is starting trouble, that's just plain wrong. GSS got banned when he posted in a thread about in the 9/11 thread, well that thread on it's own could be considered political. But he gave a point of view "What the hell are we doing in Iraq?" In my opinion, this was a valid point, just maybe poor timing, he got banned. That was plain wrong in my book. And that is my 2 cents......
Free GSS!
Free GSS!
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I could care less if it was if it was GSS or Greg himself, the point is if you cant take criticism from your patrons, then others will leave as well.
I thought GSS was rather childish, but he did keep the conversation moving forward. Where to, well thats all debatable, but he was harmless. Others have nailed it, theres to much personal opinion in moderation. Sure while TGR can often be a flamewar, theres also pure gems that come about as a result as well. Were all big kids here, the point being that just because you read someones sarcastic reply on the internet, doesnt mean you should get all offended and ban someone from entering your inner circle of internet friends cause you disagree with his style, opinion, or what have you.
And thanks for telling me what I care about, you seem to only care about how you want this forum to be run. Pot calling the kettle black, maybe, but just the fact that the moderation has been brought up should speak for itself. Two different roles here.
Conversation dies when you only have a bunch of people talking about how damn swell Sundown, Sugarbush and Jay Peak are and everyone having a grand ol time 'snow sliding' and getting golden mouses or what have you. So some other people are louder than you are, do you ban those types from your everyday life? Both you and I agree on a lot of things in the Cannon thread, which has 28 pages or so largely in part due to threecy on the other hand of the conversation. The jay peak thread has 4 pages about them staying open in the rain. Totally more awesome than a thread about leasing Cannon, but the thread is dead and boring cause everyone agrees it was badass and has moved on. Moderate that discussion away and the forum dies. Thats all Im saying.
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Thanks for the 'constructive criticism' Adironrider. points taken :lol:
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My 2 cents, just for the hell of it...
Nobody's been banned here for just being a persistent tool. I can think of a few that fit that description that are still around. People hurl insults and are still around, go up to the line consistently and are still around. GSS, however, didn't care about the line. There are things you just don't do, just don't say. It wasn't just insults, it got personal and nasty.
As a person, he's one of those guys, at least for me, that's entertaining in moderation, but has nothing else to him. A lot like Johnny Poach, actually. No off switch to the antics.
Thought I'd add some fuel to the fire...
Nobody's been banned here for just being a persistent tool. I can think of a few that fit that description that are still around. People hurl insults and are still around, go up to the line consistently and are still around. GSS, however, didn't care about the line. There are things you just don't do, just don't say. It wasn't just insults, it got personal and nasty.
As a person, he's one of those guys, at least for me, that's entertaining in moderation, but has nothing else to him. A lot like Johnny Poach, actually. No off switch to the antics.
Thought I'd add some fuel to the fire...
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