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Death at Stratton

dlague

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Another trail sign hit! That is like the third or fourth death from hitting a trail sign! Really sad to hear! So very very young!


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Very sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.
 

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So sad, especially because I was there and didn't even know it happened until now. Definitely makes me rethink how aggressively I ski sometimes.

It happened on the 91 trail which is a mostly flat traverse over to the bottom of the Sun Bowl that goes by a bunch of homes and condos. I did notice that they had it roped off on Saturday with 2 ski patrollers stopping people from going on it, but I had no idea it was because of this. I wonder why he was over there if this really was his first time, as it is far away from the beginner area. It is not an easy trail to go down by mistake as it is far off to the side below the base of URSA. Maybe he and his friends were staying in a condo off that trail. Also if he ended up at Sun Bowl, he would have had to take a blue down from the top of Sunrise Express to get back to the main side of the mountain.
 

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Must of been either before 11:30 or after about 2, as from having been at Bromley on Saturday, there's no way the medical helicopter from Dartmouth/Hitchcock could of landed at Stratton during the squall that rolled through mid-day. Such a sad thing...
 

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But they would hurt the tree ! Vermont probably has a regulation to protect trees from undue pain and suffering.

Unless of course the "pain and suffering" of said tree is caused by a maple syrup tap ;) For now at least...
 

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What was wrong with wooden signs nailed to a tree?

I never had an issue with signs in trees and was always able to find my way around just fine. However, I would guess that signs mounted to dimensioned wooden posts that have flat sides are a lot easier to maintain/replace than a sign mounted 10 feet up in a tree. Additionally with a tree you only have a small area where the sign meets the tree where screws or nails can be used to hang the sign. This limits how large the sign can be before it becomes so large that wind can easily rip it out of the tree. The newer setup, where signs are mounted on two posts allows for a much more stable mounting area for the signs.
 

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I never had an issue with signs in trees and was always able to find my way around just fine. However, I would guess that signs mounted to dimensioned wooden posts that have flat sides are a lot easier to maintain/replace than a sign mounted 10 feet up in a tree. Additionally with a tree you only have a small area where the sign meets the tree where screws or nails can be used to hang the sign. This limits how large the sign can be before it becomes so large that wind can easily rip it out of the tree. The newer setup, where signs are mounted on two posts allows for a much more stable mounting area for the signs.

Who needs it 10 feet in the air? MRG and Magic do fine with it. I'm sure there are others too. Hell, a lot of the trails at both of those mountains don't even have trail signs. Map reading skills has really fallen by the wayside but that's a whole different discussion
 

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Okay, we're getting a bit off topic here... Anyway.... 10 feet isn't really that high, but 8 feet is likely plenty high enough in most places. Like I said, the tree mount is just fine with me and (IMO) it has historically worked well. However, like you said map reading skills have declined and the general public "expects" the resorts to hold their hand as much as possible to get them around the mountain. Having "huge" signs with VERY clear directions on them have become the standard in the last 5-10 years. I'm not saying it is a good or bad thing but just pointing out that there are now additional obstacles at trail intersections for people to run into.
 

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Who needs it 10 feet in the air? MRG and Magic do fine with it. I'm sure there are others too. Hell, a lot of the trails at both of those mountains don't even have trail signs. Map reading skills has really fallen by the wayside but that's a whole different discussion

Could it be a general trail width issue that nowadays seems to necessitate a larger trail sign that can be read from often 100+ feet away whereas in the past with generally narrower trails one was often much closer to the trail sign, regardless of where they stopped near the entrance to a trail?
 

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Okay, we're getting a bit off topic here... Anyway.... 10 feet isn't really that high, but 8 feet is likely plenty high enough in most places. Like I said, the tree mount is just fine with me and (IMO) it has historically worked well. However, like you said map reading skills have declined and the general public "expects" the resorts to hold their hand as much as possible to get them around the mountain. Having "huge" signs with VERY clear directions on them have become the standard in the last 5-10 years. I'm not saying it is a good or bad thing but just pointing out that there are now additional obstacles at trail intersections for people to run into.

I think that 10 feet off the dry ground is needed, since if you add 3+ feet of base to the ground, then that 10 feet can turn into say 5 to 7 feet, at which point it could much more easily be obscured by someone who stops in front of it
 

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Mods please delete this disrespectful crap.

A tragic accident, thoughts to his family and friends.

Feel free to pound sand.

While this is a tragic event, people, especially beginners/intermediates, need to be more aware of the speeds involved and results of a loss of control in the wrong spot.

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I'm not saying I totally agree with Highway Star but I get what he's saying. Everytime something like this happens, people come up with all sorts of knee-jerk reactions thinking that some change will ensure it never happens again. The fact is skiing and snowboarding are dangerous sports. It ultimately comes down to the responsibility of the person to ensure their own safety. If the sign post wasn't there, it could've been a tree, or a rock, or another person, etc. There is no way to make the sport 100% safe. All we can do is educate ourselves, wear protective equipment, and do our best to minimize risks. But the fact remains that even with all that, injuries and deaths will still happen. If you can't handle that, stay home.

I'm really tired of the way our society tries to assign blame for every injury or death that occurs, and never want to say it was the victims fault, especially if the person is young. I don't know nearly enough about this incident to comment on it in particular. But very often, it is the victim's decisions and actions that lead to their demise. My heart goes out to this kid's friends and family. I'm sure they are devastated, but assigning undue blame will not bring their son back and it will not prevent the accident from happening.
 

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Just because all skiers agree to this release of liability doesn't mean that the resort shouldn't try to mitigate risk. It's bad publicity to have someone die at your mountain....period
 
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