This time it's London...

Greg said:

JimG. said:

All I said was that going there didn't stop it...I'm not blaming Bush, but it is clearly another political hit for that policy.

Can't you guys see that?

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Going there wasn't meant to stop it. And, yes - perhaps this will lead to further criticism of the administration's foreign policy. It'll be interesting to see which lib points that out first. I watched Tony Blair this morning and he looked as pissed as he did visibly shaken and upset. I think you're going to find that he's going stand firmer with the Bush administration now more than ever...

SkiDog said:

What I really wonder here is does it have anything at all to do with the olympic committee decision, and if so would this have happened in whatever host city was chosen?

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Interesting theory. Besides NYC, what other cities were under consideration?

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pizza said:

I can understand the reasoning behind Stephen's comment about liberals, but it's overly simplistic and written not to cause people to think, but rather to make people angry. That's not cool.

So lets analyze that statement and see what we can come up with.

* Rules of warfare have changed in the last century, and yes, those of the liberal persuasion have caused this.
* They have been changed to minimize casualties and long-term damage.
* Had we been fighting by the rules of a century ago, this war would be over.

Fair enough.
Now here's why that comment is oversimplified:

* But methods of warfare have also changed in the last century.
* If we were to apply modern rules of warfare to modern methods, the result would be disaster on both sides.
* Civilian casualties would be incredible. Millions dead. There's a word for that: evil.
* Our intention is to create a stable friendly Iraq. Working this way would be contrary to our intention.
* The sheer number of civilian casualties would skew historical perspective: We would go down in history as mass-murderers as some other historical figures have.

Would you rather have that, or have 2000 Americans dead? Most of us would have neither, but if you would be forced to choose one, I would hope we'd all choose the latter.

So while I am most certainly NOT a liberal, I do recognize the importance of their influence in modern America.

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Stephen said:

My intent wasn't to bait, but to try and tie the many ideas together. I tried to hit them all in one post as opposed to quoting each and every post in separate replies.

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Finally, what's the reason for U.S. casualties? Liberals. Plain and simple.

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Stephen said:

Again... with the chicken hawk.

IF I can't have an opinion on the war because I didn't enlist, that's like saying you can't have an opinion on conservatives because you didn't vote for Bush. Nice try.

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Stephen said:

P.S. dmc, it's NOT you vs. the moderators. Greg disagrees strongly with my post and has posted as such.

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ctenidae said:

I think it's a bit specious to blame the London bombings on Spain, blacknblue. I think Spain was about to pull out, anyway- there was certainly public support for it- but the gov't was looking for a decent way to exit. The voters certainly gave it to them. Yeah, the terrorists claim a victory there, but in reality all they did was hasten what was going to happen anyway.

To get back to Iraq briefly, what, exactly, could have been bombed, Stephen/b] and skidog? A very small percentage of US troops were killed by the Iraqi military- they were pretty well dismantled. The rest have come from insurgents. What would you bomb? Every garage, kitchen, and basement in the entire country?

Back to London, I can't wait to see what kind of footage those CCTV cameras get.

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SkiDog said:

two words come to my mind......PARKING LOT.

sorry its how I feel.

M

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dmc said:

Stephen said:

My intent wasn't to bait, but to try and tie the many ideas together. I tried to hit them all in one post as opposed to quoting each and every post in separate replies.

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BS - I know it's me against the moderators here...

BUT - your accusation towards Liberals made me sick to my stomache...

Finally, what's the reason for U.S. casualties? Liberals. Plain and simple.

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You know,.... The last thing I want is to see people maimed... I worked for Walter Reed Army Hospital when this war broke out and I almost cried every damn day when I saw those poor kids with their arms and legs blown off...

It's too bad that all the conservatives that support this "war" don't enlist instead of being chicken hawks..

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Stephen said:

The bombing, other than scaring the public didn't accomplish much.

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dmc said:

SkiDog said:

two words come to my mind......PARKING LOT.

sorry its how I feel.

M

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Wow.... I pray you never have where you live turned into a parking lot....

Do you have NO compassion for the innocent?

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SkiDog said:

dude war aint fun...noone here said it was...but its a fact of life...name one war that EVERYONE agreed with?

I think you'll be hard pressed to find one...noone wants their sons and daughters heading off to die, but its all part of being one of the most powerful countries in the world.

M

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dmc said:

BS - I know it's me against the moderators here...

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SkiDog said:

oh and I pray I never have a liberal like yourself making any decisions for the United States...

We'd be a bunch of sniveling babies if that happened..

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dmc said:

What about going into Afgahnistan to get the REAL terrorists?? I think everyone - including myself - was pretty psyched to go in these and dismantle the Taliban and get Osama...

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thetrailboss said:

dmc said:

BS - I know it's me against the moderators here...

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I would not say that. As moderators, the opinions we express are our OWN and NOT that of AZ or the other moderators. Folks can express their feelings/opinions in here and we are here to make sure that things remain civil.

Again, one last time, PLEASE keep this conversation on the topic of the bombing and DO NOT flame each other.

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dmc said:

SkiDog said:

dude war aint fun...noone here said it was...but its a fact of life...name one war that EVERYONE agreed with?

I think you'll be hard pressed to find one...noone wants their sons and daughters heading off to die, but its all part of being one of the most powerful countries in the world.

M

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What about going into Afgahnistan to get the REAL terrorists?? I think everyone - including myself - was pretty psyched to go in these and dismantle the Taliban and get Osama...

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pizza said:

dmc said:

What about going into Afgahnistan to get the REAL terrorists?? I think everyone - including myself - was pretty psyched to go in these and dismantle the Taliban and get Osama...

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That was my idea towards Iraq..
I still think that Saddam Hussein was a threat and getting him out was a worthy goal.

I'm not sure what we've been accomplishing there lately though.

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