NY Giants!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paul]

The local papers said that there was bad blood in the way Mangini left, trying to recruit from Belichick’s staff while interviewing for the Jets job. In my book, unethical.

Can't really argue that, however, for Skid-Row Bill to snub Mangini for being unethical is a little like the pot calling the kettle black, no?

 

[JimG.]

Can't really argue that, however, for Skid-Row Bill to snub Mangini for being unethical is a little like the pot calling the kettle black, no?

Ya, Bill "he who was supposed to coach the Jets but who bagged out to coach the Pats instead because he was pissed at Fat Tuna" Belichick shouldn't be concerned with ethics.

Interesting that the object of his anger now coaches those very same Jets.

Is the wheel coming full circle? I give the Jets the best chance of any of this weekend's dogs to pull the upset.

 

[jack97]

Ya, Bill "he who was supposed to coach the Jets but who bagged out to coach the Pats instead because he was pissed at Fat Tuna" Belichick shouldn't be concerned with ethics.

Brings up an interesting question on morals.

According to M Holley author of a book on Belechick’s first SB season w/ the pats. He mentioned that the relationship between himself and Tuna deteriorated to the point where his boss would give verbal abuses through out the season. Always saying, you should have done this at Cleveland…. It started when Belechick came to the pat as an assistant to the time when they went to the Jets. Even when little Bill made the right call on a defensive formation, he would still get criticize for it. According to Holley, during the SB with the packers, little Bill made the call to blitzed Favre for a big loss, this was done base on a tendency he noticed during film study, Parcells dressed him down on the open mike for the rest of the coaches to hear. I can understand it if Belichick didn’t want to be the HC if Parcell was the GM.

Even when your boss has you under contract, it doesn’t give him/her the right to physically abuse you or verbally abuse you without cause.

 

[JimG.]

Brings up an interesting question on morals.

According to M Holley author of a book on Belechick’s first SB season w/ the pats. He mentioned that the relationship between himself and Tuna deteriorated to the point where his boss would give verbal abuses through out the season. Always saying, you should have done this at Cleveland…. It started when Belechick came to the pat as an assistant to the time when they went to the Jets. Even when little Bill made the right call on a defensive formation, he would still get criticize for it. According to Holley, during the SB with the packers, little Bill made the call to blitzed Favre for a big loss, this was done base on a tendency he noticed during film study, Parcells dressed him down on the open mike for the rest of the coaches to hear. I can understand it if Belichick didn’t want to be the HC if Parcell was the GM.

Even when your boss has you under contract, it doesn’t give him/her the right to physically abuse you or verbally abuse you without cause.

I'm no Fat Tuna fan...he bagged out on NY just like his protege did.

But that's the way the Fat Tuna is...and if it bothered little Bill so much, why did he follow the big Bill everywhere he went? Because coaching under Parcells gave him the reputation he needed to become a head coach, that's why. His performance in Cleveland was not coach of the year material...he didn't do so well and got fired. He came back and coached under the fat one to regain his reputation. He took what he needed for himself, then bagged out on his team, just like his fat former boss.

So I shall never weep a fraction of a tear for little Bill.

 

[jack97]

I'm no Fat Tuna fan...he bagged out on NY just like his protege did.

But that's the way the Fat Tuna is...and if it bothered little Bill so much, why did he follow the big Bill everywhere he went? Because coaching under Parcells gave him the reputation he needed to become a head coach, that's why. His performance in Cleveland was not coach of the year material...he didn't do so well and got fired. He came back and coached under the fat one to regain his reputation. He took what he needed for himself, then bagged out on his team, just like his fat former boss.

So I shall never weep a fraction of a tear for little Bill.

I’m not shedding any tears either. Coaches and players at the professional level have a large dose of ego and do things for their own interest, comes with the territory. That said, I always have been a fan of Belechick because of the coaching job or at the end product I see on the field. His post season game plans from two years ago was just amazing. And the fact that he can consistently puzzle the hottest QBs is just fascinating.

BTW, I think he should have been coach of the year when he was in Cleveland, iirc, the year they made it into the post season. The guy knows how to scheme and come up with a game plan with above average talent.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Crazier things have happened! I remember like it was yesterday when the Mets took the World Series in 1970. I also remember Joe Namath and that Super Bowl. I admire Shockey's intensity but wish we had a TE more like Mark Bravaro or even Whitten on the Cowboys than him. I think Eli is going to have to have a great game to have a chance to win as I assume they will be keying on Tiki.

 

[ChileMass]

I'm not real good at math, but counting on fingers tells me that The Tuna ("big Bill") has won 2 Super Bowls, while Bellichick ("little Bill") has three. So which one is "Big Bill" now?

I hate to admit it, but Mangini has done a great job with the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets. Going 10-6 with a crew of mostly nobodies is quite an accomplishment and he probably deserves Coach of the Year. No doubt Bellichick will choke on that one. Losing a close colleague and protege is tough, but anyone that thinks Bellichick is singling Mangini out for special abuse is crazy. Bellichick just doesn't care at all about other coaches, teams, etc. Other than the coaches he used to work with primarily on a peer level (Coughlin, Saban, etc), you won't see Bellichick talk much to any opposing coach at the end of a game. And someone above was right - he learned it from Parcells.

Mangini has done a terrific job and the improved Jets are likely to be a real pain in the ass for several years to come, but they aren't going to take that step this week. No way, not on Sunday, not in Foxboro, not in our house (to quote Corey Dillon). Banged up or not, the Pats win 24-13 and actually cover the spread. The Pats D pressures Pennington and shuts down the run, so they get held to one TD and 2 FGs.

 

[JimG.]

I'm not real good at math, but counting on fingers tells me that The Tuna ("big Bill") has won 2 Super Bowls, while Bellichick ("little Bill") has three. So which one is "Big Bill" now?

Names are girth related only.

 

[ChileMass]

.......I remember like it was yesterday when the Mets took the World Series in 1970.......

Uh, SRO - close but no cigar. You need to check www.baseballreference.com. In 1970 the O's beat the Reds. The Metsies won their 1st World Series title in 1969.......

I'm just here to help........

 

[JimG.]

Mangini has done a terrific job and the improved Jets are likely to be a real pain in the ass for several years to come, but they aren't going to take that step this week. No way, not on Sunday, not in Foxboro, not in our house (to quote Corey Dillon). Banged up or not, the Pats win 24-13 and actually cover the spread. The Pats D pressures Pennington and shuts down the run, so they get held to one TD and 2 FGs.

I'm not a Jets fan, but...

The Jets already won there in Foxboro this season.

They played toe to toe with the Pats in the first game they played this season. I don't think the Jets are afraid of the Pats, and I know Mangini isn't going to be outcoached. Bill didn't shake Eric's hand after the second game because Mangini outcoached him.

I am not optimistic that the Jets are going to pull this off, but I think they have a better shot than any of the other dogs this week.

I doubt the Pats are as optimistic as you are. They're ready for a war, a game that will be decided in the 4th quarter by a field goal or less.

 

[jack97]

Losing a close colleague and protege is tough, but anyone that thinks Bellichick is singling Mangini out for special abuse is crazy. Bellichick just doesn't care at all about other coaches, teams, etc

The guy lives football and a historian of the game. He can tell about origins and the ideas behind varoius formation; who came up with them, the pro and cons. He got coaches from other systems and level. He is aware of the coordinators and assitant from other teams when he game plans them. One of the long term feuds he has is with president of the colts, Pollian. He built the buffalo team that little bill dismantled in the SB. Point is, he is aware of the NFL landscape.

The other thing I forgot to mention was that the Jets made an offer to Branch just before the start of the season, rumor has it the Jets did this just to inflate Branch's value. On the surface, nothing wrong with this but it was over the line if Mangini was involve in meetings or had prior knowledge about the value the Pats where willing to put on Branch.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Uh, SRO - close but no cigar. You need to check www.baseballreference.com. In 1970 the O's beat the Reds. The Metsies won their 1st World Series title in 1969.......

I'm just here to help........

Thanks....I remember the moments alot better than the date. I was a freshman in college and left to go to class with the Mets losing in the 7th game, was kinda bummed. As I approached the dorm after class two of my fellow Met fans came running out the front door screaming so I knew they had come back and won.

 

[JimG.]

The guy lives football and a historian of the game. He can tell about origins and the ideas behind varoius formation; who came up with them, the pro and cons. He got coaches from other systems and level. He is aware of the coordinators and assitant from other teams when he game plans them. One of the long term feuds he has is with president of the colts, Pollian. He built the buffalo team that little bill dismantled in the SB. Point is, he is aware of the NFL landscape.

The other thing I forgot to mention was that the Jets made an offer to Branch just before the start of the season, rumor has it the Jets did this just to inflate Branch's value. On the surface, nothing wrong with this but it was over the line if Mangini was involve in meetings or had prior knowledge about the value the Pats where willing to put on Branch.

Belichick's NFL smarts are what make him great; same for Parcells (I don't like him, but I do respect him).

Another thing that makes Belichick great is that on his teams, individual players just don't matter as much as the whole team does. That's what Mangini has brought to the Jets, another indicator of Belichick's greatness. So, whatever these little money rumors may say, and disregarding the ethics (applicable to any sport?), would it really matter if Branch left? I doubt Belichick cares in the team sense. And the Pats pay based on what they perceive the player's value to be and no more. Another trait of a well run team. The only question in this scenario is "does Branch want to win?". If yes, he stays no matter what.

This team is business genius, and it's the direct reason they are to be feared.

 

[bill9009]

Oh well theres always next year I guess, Hurts to lose on a last second field goal like that !

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Jets out G-Men out, Americas team out, does it get any better if you hate all of these teams like i do?

 

[jack97]

Jets out G-Men out, Americas team out, does it get any better if you hate all of these teams like i do?

Yeah, it would. Pats get a 4rth sb in 6 years. Their road will be just as hard to the season they beat st louis rams. Next week afc playoff games has the makings to classics.

BTW, I listen to coughlin's and eli's press conference. The coach was very contentouis while the qb was very lethargic (almost like bledsoe). One press conf does not make the season but if they have been carrying those attitudes throughout the season, I can see why they had a bad one. Cmpare to the other teams, especially the jets, Mangini and Pennington had totally different attitudes.

 

[Brettski]

How many times do you have to settle for a field goal inside the 20???????????????

It's the playoffs damn it...leave it allout there...that and we need some serious defense

 

[ski_resort_observer]

As everyone said, to win the game Eli had to have a great or at least a good game...he didn't...that's why he was quiet during the post game press conference. Coughflin knows there is alot of talk about him getting fired....wouldn't make me too happy either.

 

[jack97]

As everyone said, to win the game Eli had to have a great or at least a good game...he didn't...that's why he was quiet during the post game press conference.

Indirectly, that’s my point. Eli will never be good unless he starts to improve. His attitude partly shows his motivation. That said, can’t judge him by his talk but by his performance. But he really reminds me of Bledsoe during his press conference how he carried himself. Also, Bledsoe never really showed dramatic improvement in his game after his second or third year. Eli better find the motivation this offseason to improve his arm strength, it’s really pathetic for a first round pick.

Take a look at Brady, the pass he made to the TE (Graham) before half time. He had a lot of zip on that ball and placed it at the right spot. I doubt he could have made that pass in first or second year in the nfl. Brady’s knock was that he was too weak coming out of Mich., so he has been working in the offseason to improve his strength. He is the type always looking to improve his game, never resting on his laurels.

 

[JimG.]

Giants sucked this season...they didn't belong in the playoffs. They need a makeover. Part of it is a done deal now that Tiki is gone.

I think he left because of the front office and coaching staff. One problem is gone now...Accorsi. I hope Coughlin gets the ax soon.

This team needs to be totally re-made...I've given up on Manning too. No improvement in the last 2 seasons. A bust.