Schilling is done

[ski9]

So do you agree that the 90's Yankees championships are a joke? That was the height of steroid use.

BTW, if you are going by the percentage of players 'using', that statement is wrong. And 73 homers in a season didn't happen in the '90s.

Or maybe you are suggesting that despite the advancements in quality and masking abilities, MLB players ON THEIR OWN decided to step away from steroids and ween themselves voluntarily, even before they were put on the banned list?

Eh, I suppose anything is possible.

 

[deadheadskier]

At least Giambi admitted what he'd done and apologized, as did Petitte. But they are still just reformed cheaters, which isn't much better.

You act like Giambi and Petite are on some sorta higher moral level. They only admitted it because they got caught, plain and simple.

As for you going nuts on the Red Sox calling them out as the poster team for the steroid era, that's pure biased Yankee fan crap. EVERY team is/was guilty. Curt Schilling isn't anymore a liar than Clemens, in fact much less because he wasn't on the list. It doesn't mean he didn't do it and unless you think senator Mitchell elected not to print his name because of his allegiances, there's really not much you can blast him for. All you've got is your opinion and zero facts.

Truth be told, I can't stand Schilling. I'm grateful for the his clutch post season play that helped deliver two World Series to Boston, but other than that, I think he's a jerk and thought he should've left the game on a high note last season.

Performance enhancing drugs have been in use not since the 90's, but for DECADES. Late 70's Steelers players used them. I'm sure baseball players did as well. Hell hamerin' Hank could've been on something.....

I will say that the more recent records are probably more tainted than past records. However, you can't be certain on any record going back 50 years.

 

[jack97]

BTW, if you are going by the percentage of players 'using', that statement is wrong. And 73 homers in a season didn't happen in the '90s.

Although the 73 hr was obtained after the 90s, we had the hr chase by McGuire and Sousa in during the late 90s; 98 was the year Sousa hit 66 and Mcguire hit 70. BTW, both these guys were starting to get good batting production around 96-97.

Also, Clemen had a good year with the Yanks in 99 and didn't choke in the post season. In the 00, Clemens was the stud and preventing prolong losing streaks during the regular season. And for the record, a steroid user on the Yankees pitching staff for their last two world series championship.

Given every sport has a dark side. I agree with wa loaf, seems you have a bone to pick with Schilling alone.

 

[wa-loaf]

The six game series v. the Braves in '96 was likely the last "clean" series, other than some cocaine tucked away in Strawberry's bill-fold.

Yea right. If you don't think performance enhancing drugs were used back then you're nuts. Players may have gotten better at it recently, but they've been looking for any kind of advantage since the sport started.

Here's something for you to consider wa-loaf: If you were a baseball writer with a Hall of Fame vote, would you vote Bonds into the Hall? Are you rooting for McGwire and Sosa to be first ballot inductees? I ask because any Red Sox fan not wanting the Commissioner's Trophy to be sent back to where it came from has no right to complain about steroid fueled individual 'heroics'.

Nobody likes Bonds because he's an a-hole, not particularly because he juiced. I'm fine with moving along with everyone and just noting what was going on with this period as a big asterix.

As Jack pointed out, last years series was won largely by the new kids. Who by the way beat the old worn-out former dopers on the yankees. So I'm perfectly content with that title.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Good to see the bloody sock phoney probably gone for good. Trashed other players for 'roids, yet was as juiced as the rest AND was on a team who used steroids as their only way to break the Curse of the Babe.

(signed: a Yankee fan)


BOSTON (AP)—Curt Schilling will have surgery on his ailing shoulder Monday, ending his season and possibly his career.

The 41-year-old Boston Red Sox right-hander will have the operation after a rehabilitation program preferred by the team failed to fix the tendon injury that sparked a spring training dispute between doctors about how to treat it.

“My season is over and there is a pretty decent chance I have thrown my last pitch forever,” Schilling said Friday on WEEI radio in Boston.

:beer::beer::beer:

Hallelujah!!! My prayers have been answered!!!

What's the fat slob liar going to do with all his unused red paint and white socks?

No one will care, Schitling, when you claim you got a bloody ankle from playing one of your lame video games.

:flag:

 

[wa-loaf]

You really shouldn't use pics of yourself for this kind of thing. Kind of embarrassing. :wink:

 

[ski9]

You act like Giambi and Petite are on some sorta higher moral level. They only admitted it because they got caught, plain and simple.

As for you going nuts on the Red Sox calling them out as the poster team for the steroid era, that's pure biased Yankee fan crap. EVERY team is/was guilty. Curt Schilling isn't anymore a liar than Clemens, in fact much less because he wasn't on the list. It doesn't mean he didn't do it and unless you think senator Mitchell elected not to print his name because of his allegiances, there's really not much you can blast him for. All you've got is your opinion and zero facts.

Truth be told, I can't stand Schilling. I'm grateful for the his clutch post season play that helped deliver two World Series to Boston, but other than that, I think he's a jerk and thought he should've left the game on a high note last season.

Performance enhancing drugs have been in use not since the 90's, but for DECADES. Late 70's Steelers players used them. I'm sure baseball players did as well. Hell hamerin' Hank could've been on something.....

I will say that the more recent records are probably more tainted than past records. However, you can't be certain on any record going back 50 years.

Steroid use in athletics goes back to the early '50's weightlifters and the steroid era began in baseball at least as early as 1988. But because of the secrecy (and continued secrecy) most experts look at BMI patterns, which is why it was so easy to track football players. Weight and strength reports are an especially large part of scouting for that sport. The same BMI patterns were looked at in baseball and that's what I was going by with the '96 Yankee club.

So, call me just a diehard, blind Yankee fan for throwing away THREE championships and relying on the science to take some comfort in the results saying 1996 was a clean season for them.

As I understand your argument, you're saying that the Red Sox titles are real because everybody was doing it. Hey, you're free to be proud of whatever you want. I just see cheating very differently.

So you'd vote McGwire, Canseco, and Bonds into the Hall of Fame?

 

[jack97]

So, call me just a diehard, blind Yankee fan for throwing away THREE championships and relying on the science to take some comfort in the results saying 1996 was a clean season for them.

Yep, you're a die hard yanks fans who's team got outmaneuvered on the dice k deal, has nothing left in the farm system and has payed close to billion dollar in the past decade for rubber arm pitching and juice up has been.

Go Sox!

 

[ski9]

You act like Giambi and Petite are on some sorta higher moral level. They only admitted it because they got caught, plain and simple.

As for you going nuts on the Red Sox calling them out as the poster team for the steroid era, that's pure biased Yankee fan crap. EVERY team is/was guilty. Curt Schilling isn't anymore a liar than Clemens, in fact much less because he wasn't on the list. It doesn't mean he didn't do it and unless you think senator Mitchell elected not to print his name because of his allegiances, there's really not much you can blast him for. All you've got is your opinion and zero facts.

Truth be told, I can't stand Schilling. I'm grateful for the his clutch post season play that helped deliver two World Series to Boston, but other than that, I think he's a jerk and thought he should've left the game on a high note last season.

Performance enhancing drugs have been in use not since the 90's, but for DECADES. Late 70's Steelers players used them. I'm sure baseball players did as well. Hell hamerin' Hank could've been on something.....

I will say that the more recent records are probably more tainted than past records. However, you can't be certain on any record going back 50 years.

Firstly, yes, Petitte and Giambi are on a higher moral ground because they admitted steroid use and apologized to their fans. That's what taking responsibility and apologizing does: puts you on a higher moral ground than someone who continues to lie. Duh. Judges go much easier during the sentencing phase...parents also go much easier on kids who admit what they did and say they are sorry. Why is that such a foreign concept for a Red Sox fan? Rhetorical question, of course...

Nice of you to accuse the most consistent slugger in baseball history of cheating. Attorneys for both McGwire and Bonds did request medical records of some of the great players from '70's, apparently in an attempt to make a case of historical presence. Aaron was happy to turn them over. Complete, unedited personal medical records. Just as a sidebar, some investigative journalists from the NY Times, SI, and the Washington Post also took known records to medical experts.

The bottom line was that all those experts came to the same conclusion regarding Aaron...that it was their opinion that Aaron's physical condition never went through any unusual period of anomalous change. They listed more than a dozen things they looked at and felt they had enough data for a comprehensive evaluation, including a lack any post-usage symptoms.

So, anyone suggesting a hero like Aaron was juiced is either ignorant, racist, or is working withing their agenda of dragging down real players into the the toilet their own players swim in.

Want to know what the experts say about Ortiz? A major BMI change came in the winter/spring of 2003, which was followed by a statistical change of a prior three year average of 16 homers and 62 RBI to a post BMI change of 41 homers and 128 RBI average over the next five years. Okay, maybe the water in Boston also made his forehead grow.

Shhhh.

Everyone was doing it.

Pitchers were just as juiced as the batters.

Who cares.

As long as my teams wins.

Problem is, though, that a big part of the game was ruined for our kids and for generations of kids to come.

Flame away, I just posted my feeling about a game that used to be great.

 

[ski9]

Yep, you're a die hard yanks fans who's team got outmaneuvered on the dice k deal, has nothing left in the farm system and has payed close to billion dollar in the past decade for rubber arm pitching and juice up has been.

Go Sox!

Actually, you've been wrong about everything, but that's your problem. Simply pronouncing something doesn't make it true. As a longtime youth sports coach, I'd rather have my team lose playing by the rules than win by cheating. Being a home run king of the steroid era is only slightly less pathetic than being the World Series Champions of the steroid era.

Maybe baseball would clean up sooner if more fans were pissed off at their own players and teams. One pre-season and one addition test during the season solves nothing.

 

[Moe Ghoul]

I gave up on baseball after the strike in '94. F' them, F' the owners, they will NEVER get a get a dime of my money and even less of my attention. I'll make an exception to watch the world series, that's it.

 

[jack97]

Actually, you've been wrong about everything, but that's your problem. Simply pronouncing something doesn't make it true. As a longtime youth sports coach, I'd rather have my team lose playing by the rules than win by cheating. Being a home run king of the steroid era is only slightly less pathetic than being the World Series Champions of the steroid era.

Then as a coach in any sport, you're not that observant.

Last year red sox team won with more young or new talent in terms of everyday players and pitching (including the players from Japan) during the steroid era. As I stated before, the minor league system has a stricter testing policy than the majors. Half the teams core players were rookies or one to three removed from the farm system or from the Japanese leagues. This group of young players and foreigners earn that title over your juiced up has been. Else you plan on making a statement that the Japanese players are juiced too.

Schilling smoked your yanks during 2001 and 2004, thats why you hate him.

 

[ski9]

Then as a coach in any sport, you're not that observant.

Last year red sox team won with more young or new talent in terms of everyday players and pitching (including the players from Japan) during the steroid era. As I stated before, the minor league system has a stricter testing policy than the majors. Half the teams core players were rookies or one to three removed from the farm system or from the Japanese leagues. This group of young players and foreigners earn that title over your juiced up has been. Else you plan on making a statement that the Japanese players are juiced too.

Schilling smoked your yanks during 2001 and 2004, thats why you hate him.

You make personal attacks on me because I say good riddance to cheaters? Lots of Bonds fans make every excuse in the book why he didn't juice and why his amazing records should stand. Just like a Red Sox fan pointing to players on the roster who don't juice, totally leaving out and mention of the bad guys. And I'm the one who is not that observant?

Juicing up and beating juiced Yankees is pretty low on my list of great accomplishments in sports history. But I guess it's fine for some people to bask in that sort of glory. Bell, Bautista, Williams, Sanders, Johnson, Schilling, Dellucci, Finley, Durazo, and Witt were juiced for AZ in most insider's opinions. But I'll bet the 2004 Series set an all-time record for cheaters on any single baseball field in history.

Bask in the glory, bro...but I'm not paying for another seat until they clean house in the sport.

 

[jack97]

You make personal attacks on me because I say good riddance to cheaters?

Not to the riddance of cheaters but your first post which single one player instead of the cast of characters that could have save the integrity of the sport.

BTW, guess your not calling out on Clemens since you're a yanks fans, he only lied under oath, took roids and was banging every chick he could get his hands on.... but Schillings is fair game. :roll:

Juicing up and beating juiced Yankees is pretty low on my list of great accomplishments in sports history. But I guess it's fine for some people to bask in that sort of glory. Bell, Bautista, Williams, Sanders, Johnson, Schilling, Dellucci, Finley, Durazo, and Witt were juiced for AZ in most insider's opinions. But I'll bet the 2004 Series set an all-time record for cheaters on any single baseball field in history.

Until some credible witness can prove the AZ team was juiced, I will stay neutral.

 

[ski9]

Not to the riddance of cheaters but your first post which single one player instead of the cast of characters that could have save the integrity of the sport.

BTW, guess your not calling out on Clemens since you're a yanks fans, he only lied under oath, took roids and was banging every chick he could get his hands on.... but Schillings is fair game. :roll:

Until some credible witness can prove the AZ team was juiced, I will stay neutral.

Yeah, that's exactly what all the fans of the cheaters say: "You ain't got no proof", as we all look at the huge brows, crazy BMI stats, and 30% increases in bat speed. Pfffftttt.

Clemens turned out to be a scumbag...just like Ortiz. Clemens sure did turn out to be a shitty role model for Petitte.

Okay, go back to basking in your pro wrestling-type glory.

Did Manny recently slap Youk in a roid rage? Nah, couldn't be.

 

[jack97]

Okay, go back to basking in your pro wrestling-type glory.

Whats wrong with pro wresting?

 

[snoseek]

smells like a damn yankee troll to me here ...

He can't say I didn't warn him!

 

[jack97]

smells like a damn yankee troll to me here ...

Yep, you can smell it from the first post. Had a couple of bad days at work and I need to get the funk out of my system.

 

[Moe Ghoul]

What's the deal with grown men running around in their fave athletes jerseys like high school girls wearing their boyfriends jerseys on game day? Sure seems gay.

 

[ski9]

smells like a damn yankee troll to me here ...

Yeah, that's all it is. Yankee trolls are pretty well known for bashing the Yankee '98-'00 teams.


Maybe it's just that the truth hurts. Or maybe it's funny to think about all the kids who have died or have suffered some pretty bad physical damage from the trickle down effect of the pro athletes.

Is this really a pro steroid MB?