Sugarbush Glades?

[AndyEich]

Hi Sugarbush experts--can you all help identify this trail?

I have a puzzle dated 1967 which depicts "The Glades" at Sugarbush:

The text associated with it (apparently written by Sports Illustrated) says:
"The Glades, Sugarbush. Sugarbush skiing is always fancy--never ferocious--and fittingly in such a setting, the Glades is America's most elegant run. It lies hidden away in the middle of the mountain: a 1,200 foot swoop through stands of silvery birch trees and shafts of cold sunlight. In any weather, at any hour and any speed, the effect is enchanting."

I can't seem to tell how this compares to the current trail map--do any of you who are more familiar with SB know which area to which this is referring? Perhaps a still-undeveloped area between Lincoln and Castlerock? Thanks!
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[WoodCore]

I'm not sure, maybe Murphy's Glade????

 

[riverc0il]

That would be my guess as well. Certainly one of the more picturesque trails that most ability levels can ski at the Bush. Would be nice if there were more trees. They should really look into hiring Jay Appleton to regenerate more trees on that trail.

 

[Treeskier]

It actually is the area above and to the east of Murphy's glads. From what I've been told it deteriorated very
quickly to the point they ended up closing it down and kept people out of it. So it could grow back. Which it did. You can see Steins on the left which give you your barrings.

 

[Newpylong]

I think that actually is the current Murphy's Glades, its spaced pretty much where it should be, Stein's on the left and Jester on the right (or whatever those trails were called pre Super Bravo. If not, its probably in the area of Egan's Woods.

 

[riverc0il]

More importantly... what is the jigsaw puzzle???

 

[thetrailboss]

Yes, that is Murphy's Glades....you can tell by the contour of the mountain...

 

[AndyEich]

Thanks for the help, folks! It would have taken me a while to figure that out.

It's interesting that the "Sugarbush Glades," once (apparently) among the top 2 eastern runs, didn't survive in name.

More importantly... what is the jigsaw puzzle???

"Sports Illustrated's 10 top ski runs in America," text by Bob Ottum. The only other eastern trail is:

"The Nose Dive, Stowe. For years the Nose Dive was the terror of the East. Not because of its height--it starts at just 3,600 feet--but because it pitched, dropped, winged and careened wildly 2,025 vertical feet down Vermont's Mt. Mansfield and always left the experts limp. But now, tamed by bulldozers, the Dive is more terrific than terrifying, a smooth, 66-foot wide swath. It still speeds. But happily: It also swings."

I didn't realize that Nose Dive had already been tamed that long ago.
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[AndyEich]

Thanks to SI putting all their old articles online (cool!), you can read the article by Bob Ottum on which this puzzle was based. It has a lot more text about each run.
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[riverc0il]

"The Nose Dive, Stowe. For years the Nose Dive was the terror of the East. Not because of its height--it starts at just 3,600 feet--but because it pitched, dropped, winged and careened wildly 2,025 vertical feet down Vermont's Mt. Mansfield and always left the experts limp. But now, tamed by bulldozers, the Dive is more terrific than terrifying, a smooth, 66-foot wide swath. It still speeds. But happily: It also swings."

I didn't realize that Nose Dive had already been tamed that long ago.

I suspect it has been tamed even more since this was written. Add in top to bottom snow making and groom it flat as a pancake and hey presto... an historic trail lost forever to "improvements". I swear that trail is wider than 66 feet.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Hi Sugarbush experts--can you all help identify this trail?

I have a puzzle dated 1967 which depicts "The Glades" at Sugarbush:

The text associated with it (apparently written by Sports Illustrated) says:
"The Glades, Sugarbush. Sugarbush skiing is always fancy--never ferocious--and fittingly in such a setting, the Glades is America's most elegant run. It lies hidden away in the middle of the mountain: a 1,200 foot swoop through stands of silvery birch trees and shafts of cold sunlight. In any weather, at any hour and any speed, the effect is enchanting."

I can't seem to tell how this compares to the current trail map--do any of you who are more familiar with SB know which area to which this is referring? Perhaps a still-undeveloped area between Lincoln and Castlerock? Thanks!

Ir looks like Murphys glades..

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I suspect it has been tamed even more since this was written. Add in top to bottom snow making and groom it flat as a pancake and hey presto... an historic trail lost forever to "improvements". I swear that trail is wider than 66 feet.

At the top I think Nosedive is less than 66 feet until the last sharp right turn..then it's like 66 yards wide..lots of fun to be had to the left and right of Nosedive. In college Nosedive used to be my steezy speed run..It would take under 2.5 minutes to ski top to bottom..

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Yup....Murphy Glades with a few more trees than we have on today's version.

 

[JerseyJoey]

It's Murphy's, but that looks like it's just above Murphy's at the beginning (top) of the puzzle. IIRC, there were off-shoots skiers right of Murphy's that were natural glades but I think it's all grown in over time. I don't think anything in that area is as it was 40 years ago.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Was anybody at Sugarbush back when they had a gondola which ran above Organgrinder?

 

[crank]

I first skied Sugarbush in 1972 so, yeah, I skied it many times before they removed the Gondola. In my old fartish opinion they ruined the top of the mountain when they changed their lift system and cut the new runs.

I remember one great day there skiing with my buddy Ski220 in the early '80's where one of us waited in the gondi line while the other ran to the cafeteria and grabbed a couple of sandwiches to glom down on the ride up. I think we skied about 26,000 vertical feet that day.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Was anybody at Sugarbush back when they had a gondola which ran above Organgrinder?

!970 for me, seems we got lots of snow back then, always had trouble getting up the access road. The Valley House was the Base Lodge and we parked pointed south.

 

[castlerock]

Over cutting

It is Murph's. It was originally called Glades and was changed to Murph's Glades in honor of Jack Murphy in 1991 ( I think).

It isn't some "leftover" or overgrown glade left off the map, The fact that it has many more trees than the current trail is due to the effects of the original cutting being too agressive. The leftover trees had no protection and failed. The same thing has gone on in Paradise. Other areas, had the same problem. Case in point MRG suffered from the same issues and learned to control their glading and regeneration assiduously.

 

[skidmarks]

Sugarbush-Church

Has anyone skied Church? How nasty is it?

 

[skidmarks]

It is Murph's. It was originally called Glades and was changed to Murph's Glades in honor of Jack Murphy in 1991 ( I think).

Yes I remember seeing a memorial plaque at the top. It was cut too wide that's why all the snow blows to the skiers left.