Cannon Lover's Thread

[freeski]

I was poking around on the Cannon website trying to find something new. Noticed under stats, the longest run is 2.3 miles. What route is that? It's not over the saddle is it?

 

[Smellytele]

I was poking around on the Cannon website trying to find something new. Noticed under stats, the longest run is 2.3 miles. What route is that? It's not over the saddle is it?

Could be Taft but swinging around the mountain all the way down to the tram

 

[SIKSKIER]

This is about the longest I could find of contineous skiing and it was about 10,400 ft.

 

[Smellytele]

This is about the longest I could find of contineous skiing and it was about 10,400 ft.

The bottom of that run would suck

 

[Cannonball]

This is about the longest I could find of contineous skiing and it was about 10,400 ft.

Wouldn't it be even a little longer to take Taft vs Ravine? Or do the turns on Ravine add extra distance?

 

[SIKSKIER]

Wouldn't it be even a little longer to take Taft vs Ravine? Or do the turns on Ravine add extra distance?

It might be but I thought the turns on Ravine woulf make it longer.

 

[SIKSKIER]

It would definately be longer going Upper C to the slight uphill traverse to Upper Hard then the route I showed.

 

[from_the_NEK]

Wow! Burke destroys Cannon in the longest run department. East Bowl to High Meadows Pass = 2.75 miles (14500').

 

[Smellytele]

Wow! Burke destroys Cannon in the longest run department. East Bowl to High Meadows Pass = 2.75 miles (14500').

with 4k of of poling.

 

[from_the_NEK]

with 4k of of poling.

Not if it is icy enough

 

[wtcobb]

Wow! Burke destroys Cannon in the longest run department. East Bowl to High Meadows Pass = 2.75 miles (14500').

Both of those are actually open, too.

 

[MEtoVTSkier]

Both of those are actually open, too.

Has the Pope confirmed that this is an actual miracle?!

:-o

 

[skiberg]

You blame FSC for buying a new compressor and improving snowmaking capacity for the whole mountain? You can't be serious.


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[deadheadskier]

Sounds to me like he blames FSC for ruining Mittersill. I tend to agree. I regret ever voicing support of the Mittersill chair.

The overall Cannon experience was better when Mittersill was NELSAP. The snowmaking improvements on the main mountain have not been a fair trade because those improvements still aren't all that great.

Ultimately though, it sounds like you and many of FSC have a real sense of entitlement. Cannon is a public resource; a private club should not have a major influence on how it operates. It would be different if it were a private ski area.

 

[skiberg]

With the new snowmaking on Barons I think the mountain as a whole skis a lot better. It's really nice be able to ski back and forth between Mitt. and main mountain even in a bad snow year. The expansiveness of the mountain is obviously improved. The day went by faster and it was nice not to ski the quad over and over.
It seemed like the lines were a little better and people spread out a little more as well.
Not sure I'm as crazy about the new Barons though. It's a good run, but I miss the old mogul trail, even if it was only skiable a few dozen days per year. I guess if we had snow like last year, every year, the new trail would suck. Unfortunately snow is just too fickle in NH.


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[skiberg]

What does FSC think its entitled to? They donated three million dollars in equipment to a public resource? FSC doesn't ask for much of anything in return. They got no guarantees at all. I don't see anyone else doing this. Hell they have invested more in the mountain than the State. My point is that Cannon is not like other mountains. It's always been a racers mountain, built for racers and by racers. If you can't stand racers you really are at the wrong hill. The racers were at Cannon long, long before any of us. We chose to make our home hill a racers mountain.


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[Smellytele]

To me it isn't what has been done a mittersill but in how the influence of FSC directs the publicly owned ski area. From where the snow making is done to the uncontrolled early season use of any open territory and lodge space. Also the uncontrolled/supervised racers themselves.

 

[deadheadskier]

It's a state park first and foremost. FSC presence and history doesn't change that.

I have not skied Barons with snowmaking, but can say the widening and flattening I skied last winter absolutely ruined the trail compared to what it once was.

You want wide groomers with snowmaking? Go to Loon.

 

[Cannonball]

To me it isn't what has been done a mittersill but in how the influence of FSC directs the publicly owned ski area. From where the snow making is done to the uncontrolled early season use of any open territory and lodge space. Also the uncontrolled/supervised racers themselves.

^This

Ultimately though, it sounds like you and many of FSC have a real sense of entitlement. Cannon is a public resource; a private club should not have a major influence on how it operates. It would be different if it were a private ski area.

^And this

You blame FSC for buying a new compressor and improving snowmaking capacity for the whole mountain? You can't be serious.

It's not the "improved" snowmaking (if you can seriously call it that). It's the redirection of resources to suit FSC's wants and needs. Great, you put up a bunch of money to buy equipment that serves your own interest. Yes, it's possible that the public might get some benefit from that. But mostly it means that Cannon is redirecting their labor and approach in order use your equipment on the terrain that serves mostly you. I don't recall asking for that. Did FSC put up a budget for a snowmaking crew? No. So Cannon's snowmaking crew is now over at Mittersill making snow on a trail that will end up being closed for FSC's private use, instead of focusing on opening more terrain on the main mountain for the general public.

I'm sure that FSC's contributions to the bottom line of Cannon are not insignificant. But for the experience of the average passholder or day-ticket buyer, FSC takes more than it gives.

 

[MEtoVTSkier]

It would have made more sense to have a completely separate snowmaking plant for Mittersill that could be run simultaneously with Cannons, so that resources for Cannon aren't being reduced, with a set amount funded by Cannon proper, and the rest needed for race/training facilities funded by that group. You want more snow? Knock yourselves out.

It was SUPPOSED to be a limited lift-served "back country experience"