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    Some news from the Kingdom

    http://vtdigger.org/2013/12/18/burke...tm_source=t.co Sounds like a bit of a struggle up there with the new brass. Hope they figure out a way to make things work.


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    Dislike! Looks like this is turning into a real shit show!
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    You beat me to it. Call it cutting off your nose to spite your face; burning bridges; showing your true colors; showing the community what you really think of it.

    I got an Email this morning with this in it and I was so but not completely surprised. A few months ago an unnamed source told me that Q2 was fighting with KT and, as the article said, refused to pay up the $20,000 he owed to KT under the written contract. I thought about saying something here about it, but had faith that the voices of reason would tell Q2 to stand down and turn off the afterburners. Apparently they did and Q2 forked over that money, but as the article says, now is taking his ball and going home.

    When we all learned that "Jay Peak" was buying Burke, I was so happy. Bill Stenger is a leader in the industry and a good guy. He came in and helped Burke in 2000 when Burke 2000 was trying to open it. He gets it. He has a good PR team and they run a good business. Slowly, however, I learned that Bill Stenger is not a part of this and it's his business partner Mr. Quiros, Sr. Junior needs a job, so Daddy sends him to Burke. It becomes QBurke because, as Q2 said in the WCAX interview I posted, "he needs to prove himself." Prove himself he did; he can move onto other things.


    The article shows his true colors. He implies that the previous manager had some conflict of interest with KT, a non-profit community group that had a symbiotic relationship with Burke. Not only that, but the founders were, and still are, Burke employees. He seems to think that he will make it next summer without KT. Hate to tell him, but folks come for KT, not the mountain. QBurke will fail next summer...especially if he thinks that folks will pay more to ride the lower mountain. Also a complete dick move to cut off the very folks who (voluntarily) built the "goose that lays the golden egg" for the mountain in the summer. Most of the trails on the mountain were built by KT volunteers.

    And, to be sure that we go down flaming, we make the announcement less than a week before the Christmas Vacation and at the very start of ski season. There are lots of locals who volunteer for KT and ski at Burke. I guess this season locals know how much Mr. Quiros values their business and they will go elsewhere. So much for increasing skier visits. And a lot of out-of-town folks who visit Burke are KT loyals who will hear this news and ski elsewhere. There is a lot of choice for folks in Vermont besides Burke--Cannon is a mere 45 minutes away and they have done a great job listening to their guests.

    We are really lucky to have the new QBurke marketing guy here in the forums. I hope that he hears this feedback and can convince Mr. Quiros that this is the worst mistake that they can make on so many levels. The PR show is going to be awesome, and at the beginning of the season nonetheless. I wish the marketing guy luck. He's been around the business a long time and knows that this is just plain idiotic. There's no way you can spin this one.

    Burke was, and is, my home. Mr. Quiros is making me miss it much less I guess. I will be sure not to give him anymore money in the future until he brains up.

    And my comments are mine, only mine, and not those of AZ or the management.

    This classic footage pretty much sums of the situation:



    "If this isn't the biggest bag over the head, punch in the face I've ever got, GODDAMNIT!"

    "I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there on Melody Lane with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, fore-fleshing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, d!@kless, hopeless, heartless, fat-@ss, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey s@!t he is. Hallelujah. Holy s@!t. Where's the Tylenol?"
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    Yaaaaaaa! I do not think this is smart. Kingdom Trails is nationally recognized as a great trail network. I think that Kingdom Trails has done a lot to work on the trail system there on Burke. Prior to being lift served, they used to bus people up the toll road rather than using the lifts.

    Q Burke should learn to work with its neighbors and the community or else it will fade! This is really sad to see.

    I think we will have to skip our trips to Q Burke and seek alternative resorts!
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    ^^^^Well said. Funny how he shows interest to keeping ties with marketing. Well duh! the towns busier in summer than winter...they all come to ride KT!!!This guy needs to learn a lot about business and PR. Everyone post your thoughts in a classy way on their FB page, let em know if you disagree...

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    This is a sad day for the NEK. Everyone loses.
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    And what is this I hear about a Bell Grant that KT worked hard to get for...drumroll...Burke Mountain?!
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    I get even more pissed thinking about that Bell Grant they won last year, it was weird to begin with but now it's just wrong. Their bike park is ok but definitely not worth driving past Highland for. This guy is fucking delusional. All this just to save 20kish per year, small potatoes for a ski resort but much needed money for a volunteer non-profit.

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    What did the Bell Grant pay for?
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    It payed for a flow trail at the bike park....I was skeptical to begin with although KT was behind the push for the award and probably the building too. I thought Corral in South lake should have won as it was a good example of people working with the forest service. Without KT burke wouls have lost, then again without KT Burke would be a ghost town is summer and I question whether Burke would even have the people or demand to come up with any sort of plan for development.

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