25-26 Season Passes

[LoafSkier19]

Jay also has to consider that a lot of their pass holders are Canadian. Which is what pass price x 1.5 right now?

I think Jay let’s Canadian customers buy at par with proof of residency

 

[thetrailboss]

Saddleback full season pass increased to $1099.

That seems high.

 

[machski]

Agreed. I look at the alternatives and am 100% happy in the Boyne ecosystem. They continue to invest in all 3 resorts - Sugarloaf's snowmaking definitely seems to have stepped up over a few years ago. While SR is my regular spot, I always go for some day trips to Sugarloaf in late April/early May. There's almost always still a ton of natural coverage at that time, including the trees - see photo below from last year.

New England Pass pricing is out and it's not as bad as I feared. Renewal prices on the gold are only up $60 ($1389) and junior price is the same is last ($599).

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Yeah, and you get an extra area this year for the price on the Gold too if you chose to use Pleasant. Interesting that Loon has 12 blackout dates but SR and SL only have 10 on the Silver (they both drop 12/26 and 2/16 that Loon carries as Blackouts). Probably Silver's for us given my likely work schedule wipes out the Christmas blackout period.

 

[deadheadskier]

My guess is that's because Loon is the easiest day trip from Boston if any major ski resort. They also have fewer lifts and terrain to spread crowds than SL & SR.

 

[oldfartrider]

That’s actually cheap. You guys have gotten too used to multi resort pricing. I paid $1000 in the 90s for one mountain.

 

[thebigo]

That’s actually cheap. You guys have gotten too used to multi resort pricing. I paid $1000 in the 90s for one mountain.

I had a beeper and blockbuster card in the 90s, neither are coming back anytime soon.

 

[BenedictGomez]

That’s actually cheap. You guys have gotten too used to multi resort pricing. I paid $1000 in the 90s for one mountain.

I'd rather pay $1,500 for one mountain and keep single day ticket rates elsewhere at $65 - $90, rather than paying $750 for one mountain and a kidney for tickets elsewhere..

 

[machski]

I'd rather pay $1,500 for one mountain and keep single day ticket rates elsewhere at $65 - $90, rather than paying $750 for one mountain and a kidney for tickets elsewhere..

Honestly don't think ticket rates would be that low at major resorts if we didn't have mega passes. Things have just gone up too much. But they should be half what most window rates are at their peak. But less than three figures is wishful dreaming. Do you see tickets in that range or even a bit less? Yes, but those areas are usually fixed grip chairs, likely older equipment.

 

[drjeff]

Honestly don't think ticket rates would be that low at major resorts if we didn't have mega passes. Things have just gone up too much. But they should be half what most window rates are at their peak. But less than three figures is wishful dreaming. Do you see tickets in that range or even a bit less? Yes, but those areas are usually fixed grip chairs, likely older equipment.

Agree!

Given that say 10 years ago a new high speed lift was often in the 3 to 5 million range, and now it seems like it's more in the 7 to 10 million range, I agree that finding major areas with a day ticket that's only in the 2 figures range would be at best the exception to the reality of things

 

[AdironRider]

I agree that most skiers really don't comprehend just how expensive it is to run a ski area, let alone all the accompanying fluff that most customers expect.

Even in threads like the Cooper one, I can pretty much guarantee they are losing money at 45 bucks a day ticket, they are just losing less money than if they didn't sell a day ticket at all.

Its a tough business where you make money three years out of ten, breakeven three years out of ten, and lose money three years out of ten, so you ride or die based on what that last year turns out. God forbid those three money losing and breakeven years don't all happen in succession.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Honestly don't think ticket rates would be that low at major resorts if we didn't have mega passes. Things have just gone up too much.

That is true, I was thinking of "olden days" without adjusting for inflation. Still, I think then $80 - $105'ish would be probable pricing today, with probably a mean of something like $90. These $250 and $310 single day lift ticket prices are completely artificial, and intended to make "one-vacation" and/or low-frequency skiers who only ski 3 to 5 days a year at various hills, spend $750 - $1000 all on one entities pass.

 

[2planks2coasts]

Tenney With Indy Add on. May add a Boyne 3 day for when Ikon friends ski Loon. $850ish total. A few days tickets here and there on my round the world ski trip planned for next Feb-Mar. Unless Shymbalak, Kazakhstan joins Indy by then

 

[AdironRider]

Jay passes released today. 799 adult early bird, 1399 in October. Don't be late.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Jay passes released today. 799 adult early bird,

$559 with forged Canadian documents.

 

[thetrailboss]

$559 with forged Canadian documents.

I've got a bad feeling that they are going to lose Canadian customers due to, well, the recent political environment. There have been several articles regarding how many are planning on canceling trips to the U.S. and Vermont due to these issues.

 

[AdironRider]

Like any media article in the current environment, that is completely overblown. Based on my experience there the last two days, Jay is going to be just fine. It was easily 70 percent French speakers this past weekend. They were mobbed with pow day level lift lines. Yeah this is anecdotal, but they were not hurting for business.

 

[Killingtime]

Like any media article in the current environment, that is completely overblown. Based on my experience there the last two days, Jay is going to be just fine. It was easily 70 percent French speakers this past weekend. They were mobbed with pow day level lift lines. Yeah this is anecdotal, but they were not hurting for business.

Same two weeks ago. Every other person I spoke to was from Montreal.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I've got a bad feeling that they are going to lose Canadian customers due to, well, the recent political environment. There have been several articles regarding how many are planning on canceling trips to the U.S. and Vermont due to these issues.

I'm sure some will do so for political reasons, but the infinitely more important reason for Canadian vacations to America dropping is because we are currently at a 22 year low in the value of the Canadian dollar, and if you're a Canuck those $24 Chicken Fingers and Fries at Stowe will run you about $35. A $260 hotel night will be almost $400.

The media is just disingenuously using this nonsense to attack Trump. FWIW, Canada spending in the US was down at the end of the Biden Administration too due to the weak CAD, you just didn't hear about it because the media wasn't "using" this narrative as a political attack.

I hate the media almost as much as I hate rain in winter.

 

[jaytrem]

I'm sure some will do so for political reasons, but the infinitely more important reason for Canadian vacations to America dropping is because we are currently at a 22 year low in the value of the Canadian dollar, and if you're a Canuck those $24 Chicken Fingers and Fries at Stowe will run you about $35. A $260 hotel night will be almost $400.

Currently .70, was .69 on Jan 16 2016. Pretty flat since mid-year 2015.

Anecdotal, but lots of Canadians are skipping the Allentown pinball show this year. People who buy 10k toys aren't typically concerned about a few cents change in the exchange rate.

It will be interesting to see how Wildwood does this year with so many of their visitors coming from Canada. Hotel prices are already bit lower than normal for the weekend that we always go. Good for me I guess.

 

[thetrailboss]

Ok, so Jay is $799.00. Any takers?