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Death At Jay Peak

catskills

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"Ontogenetics ".... Had to look this up.

One thing frequently mentioned in helmet threads is the notion that a helmet makes the skier overconfident. This doesn't seem plausible to me unless we're talking about a teenager. I don't know a single person who fits into that category.

Really! Consider this analogy. Lets say you have a 12 inch long metal spike attached to the middle of your car's steering wheel pointed at your heart. Will you drive slower and take less risk with the spike then you would without the spike? I rest my case.

Reality is they have done speed tests at multiple ski areas. I believe the skier speed with helmets on average is something like 4 MPH faster than skiers without helmets. Snowboarders also go slower than skiers. Kinetic energy your body caries increases non-linear with increased in speed. 4 MPH speed increase can be a huge increase in kinetic energy and the difference between life and death.

As an EMT blunt force trauma to chest is a real killer. Ribs have a tendency to puncture lungs. The pericardium sac around the heart can fill up with blood from only a slight bleed from the heart. The blood builds up pressure in the pericardium sac and pushes on the heart causing a decrease in difference between the systolic and diastolic blood pressure readings (narrowing). Your spleen in the upper left quadrant of the abdomen may be ruptured. Without emergency treatment, a ruptured spleen can cause life-threatening internal bleeding. Fractured pelvis may result in severe internal bleeding. There are a lot of ways to die without a head injury.
 

drjeff

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Really! Consider this analogy. Lets say you have a 12 inch long metal spike attached to the middle of your car's steering wheel pointed at your heart. Will you drive slower and take less risk with the spike then you would without the spike? I rest my case.

Reality is they have done speed tests at multiple ski areas. I believe the skier speed with helmets on average is something like 4 MPH faster than skiers without helmets. Snowboarders also go slower than skiers. Kinetic energy your body caries increases non-linear with increased in speed. 4 MPH speed increase can be a huge increase in kinetic energy and the difference between life and death.

As an EMT blunt force trauma to chest is a real killer. Ribs have a tendency to puncture lungs. The pericardium sac around the heart can fill up with blood from only a slight bleed from the heart. The blood builds up pressure in the pericardium sac and pushes on the heart causing a decrease in difference between the systolic and diastolic blood pressure readings (narrowing). Your spleen in the upper left quadrant of the abdomen may be ruptured. Without emergency treatment, a ruptured spleen can cause life-threatening internal bleeding. Fractured pelvis may result in severe internal bleeding. There are a lot of ways to die without a head injury.

Very true! It seems though that many a fatality this season isn't because of head trauma (or atleast major, life threatening head trauma), but from blunt force torso trauma.

If you then take away the helmet and slow down a person by the 4MPH average and have them slide into that tree with their torso at say 25 mph instead of 30 mph, I don't really think that you'd see any difference in the mortality rates.

The reality is that until all folks on the slopes make a conscientious effort to really slow down and give some extra space between themselves and others and the woods, that this type of event will be a relatively speaking regular news story. And even with more speed and/or space awareness on the hill, fatalities will still continue to happen
 

skiladi

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Just a note on helmet usage.

I ski/ride with a helmet 99% of the time. I would like to say this: Helmets have a shelf life. Check with the manufacturer but I think it is about five years. Also make certain you have a helmet that fits correctly. And even if your head fills that space , please buckle the safety strap. If your helmet is damaged , particularly if there is a crack , throw it away. I won't speculate on the cause of someone's death but I agree with catskills. There are many reasons for such a tragic accident , so please be safe out there and stay aware of your surroundings and changing conditions. What skied like a dream @ 9 a.m. might be a luge by 11 a.m. Just sayin'
 
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