Degrees

[Treeliner]

So how long is it actually 57 degrees, if at all?

Never been there but most likely not at all and if it does it is probably for 50 ft max. There isnt anything in New England that gets over 55 degrees, so i doubt there is a place in the mid atlantic that does

Dont be dissin the mid-a. Our mountain with the exception of the mount washington vicinity are higher than yours. Mt mitchell in NC creamp mt washington. Mitchell pushes 8,000 ft if im correct.

Who knew? It's actually 6,684 feet, but that makes it the highest point east of the Mississippi River.

Mt Washington is rougly 400 feet lower at 6,288 feet

 

[awf170]

The average for the run is 32 degrees.

Sorry to tell you but i just figured out that the west territory lift is 6000 ft long and 1,500 ft vertical. I used the lift because it was a straighter line down and easier to follow on a topo. This will give the lift the a 25% grade, which is about 15 degrees

 

[takeahike46er]

Dont be dissin the mid-a. Our mountain with the exception of the mount washington vicinity are higher than yours.

Who cares what is taller. Height doesn't make for good skiing, especially when the mountains don't have the consistent cold temps and the above treeline terrain that is found on the likes of Washington, Marcy, Katahdin and the likes.

 

[awf170]

Mt mitchell in NC creamp mt washington. Mitchell pushes 8,000 ft if im correct.

Who knew? It's actually 6,684 feet, but that makes it the highest point east of the Mississippi River.

Didnt do good in geography class powderhound :wink:

 

[Powderhound21]

The average for the run is 32 degrees.

Sorry to tell you but i just figured out that the west territory lift is 6000 ft long and 1,500 ft vertical. I used the lift because it was a straighter line down and easier to follow on a topo. This will give the lift the a 25% grade, which is about 15 degrees

You are right there. But shays comes down a steep ridge to meet up with the bottom of the lift at the valley

 

[awf170]

You are right there. But shays comes down a steep ridge to meet up with the bottom of the lift at the valley

So wheres the steepest part, ill figure the pitch of that out then(yes i have nothing better to do)

 

[Powderhound21]

If I can find a dam* topo map, id show you. Ive been looking all over.

 

[Powderhound21]

The steepest part is the middle section of lower shays revenge.

 

[Powderhound21]

 

[awf170]

heres a topo and an ariel, the trail isnt on the arial photo so i dunno really know where it is goin to be on the topo

http://www.terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=734&Y=5315&W=3

 

[riverc0il]

Too bad it disappears this season ;-)

could you elaborate? are they cutting trees to make a full trail? :blink:

 

[takeahike46er]

Here is a topo map showing Snowshoe and the lift for Shay's revenge.

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=4252500&e=587207&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25


I took the steepest section along the ridge line and isolated it. The run drops 200 ft. in approximately .08 miles. That is an average SLOPE of about 47 for the steepest section of the trail.

 

[deadheadskier]

So how long is it actually 57 degrees, if at all?

Never been there but most likely not at all and if it does it is probably for 50 ft max. There isnt anything in New England that gets over 55 degrees, so i doubt there is a place in the mid atlantic that does

Dont be dissin the mid-a. Our mountain with the exception of the mount washington vicinity are higher than yours. Mt mitchell in NC creamp mt washington. Mitchell pushes 8,000 ft if im correct.

Very True - Top of the World at Snowshoe is located at 4848 - however the base of the Western Territory is above 3000 feet. The mountains in West Virginia that have 2000 verticle feet from valley floor to summit are few and far between. I used to post a little bit on the DCSKI message boards for a couple of years when I lived in the area and I know that there were several threads over those years concerning certain mountains that had the potential for 2000 feet of verticle if developed into a ski area.

As for Shays - it does deserve its due - the Headwall is comparable to lower Ovation at K-Mart. It is very steep for about 50 verticle feet, but 57 degrees is pushing it. Even 50 is pushing it. I worked at Snowshoe for awhile and use to joke quite a bit with the marketing department that they must have had their ruler backwords.

 

[awf170]

That is an average SLOPE of about 47 for the steepest section of the trail.

FYI thats about 25 degrees

 

[takeahike46er]

not terribly steep.

 

[blacknblue]

Shay's isn't a bad trail at all, but it's not terribly forboding. I haven't skied it since spring 2002, but other than the large moguls on the lower section, I don't remember being at all intimidated by the pitch/slope/steepness. It's got a good, black-diamond pitch, but nothing too serious.
As I recall, it was a decent drop, a flatter section, then the steeper drop into moguls before the run-out. The pitch was more "let 'em ride" than "check your speed," if that makes any sense.

 

[tirolerpeter]

Steeps

It has been interesting learning the details on these various trails. Steeps, in and of themselves don't matter to me. The surface condition is the key to whether or not I will take a trail. Wide, groomed slopes are easy if they have little or no ice on them, or are nicely powdered up regardless of the pitch. Really steep stuff is a blast if it is deep powder. I love that feeling of "zero G" as the powder floats away under me. If the trail is wide, I just carve, and if it is narrow, I just focus on my turns and take the "elevator" down...beautiful! Bumps are fine too if they are powdered up, or nice and soft on their surface. If they are icy and/or scraped off, forget it. I think it is foolish to risk injury on icy moguls. Ovation at K or Ripcord at Snow are fun as long as they are not icy. I have seen quite a few people really hurt on those trails because they didn't check conditions before they stepped off.

 

[deadheadskier]

Re: Steeps

It has been interesting learning the details on these various trails. Steeps, in and of themselves don't matter to me. The surface condition is the key to whether or not I will take a trail. Wide, groomed slopes are easy if they have little or no ice on them, or are nicely powdered up regardless of the pitch. Really steep stuff is a blast if it is deep powder. I love that feeling of "zero G" as the powder floats away under me. If the trail is wide, I just carve, and if it is narrow, I just focus on my turns and take the "elevator" down...beautiful! Bumps are fine too if they are powdered up, or nice and soft on their surface. If they are icy and/or scraped off, forget it. I think it is foolish to risk injury on icy moguls. Ovation at K or Ripcord at Snow are fun as long as they are not icy. I have seen quite a few people really hurt on those trails because they didn't check conditions before they stepped off.

pull over mista - you just hijacked my mind!

 

[ozskier]

Too bad it disappears this season ;-)

could you elaborate? are they cutting trees to make a full trail? :blink:

I'll post something once I get the green light from the higher ups. There are a few surprises for this season. Nothing really major, pretty low key.

 

[Powderhound21]

So how long is it actually 57 degrees, if at all?

Never been there but most likely not at all and if it does it is probably for 50 ft max. There isnt anything in New England that gets over 55 degrees, so i doubt there is a place in the mid atlantic that does

Dont be dissin the mid-a. Our mountain with the exception of the mount washington vicinity are higher than yours. Mt mitchell in NC creamp mt washington. Mitchell pushes 8,000 ft if im correct.

Very True - Top of the World at Snowshoe is located at 4848 - however the base of the Western Territory is above 3000 feet. The mountains in West Virginia that have 2000 verticle feet from valley floor to summit are few and far between. I used to post a little bit on the DCSKI message boards for a couple of years when I lived in the area and I know that there were several threads over those years concerning certain mountains that had the potential for 2000 feet of verticle if developed into a ski area.

As for Shays - it does deserve its due - the Headwall is comparable to lower Ovation at K-Mart. It is very steep for about 50 verticle feet, but 57 degrees is pushing it. Even 50 is pushing it. I worked at Snowshoe for awhile and use to joke quite a bit with the marketing department that they must have had their ruler backwords.

Finally, someone on here that agrees with me.

I remember those discussions. They were planning on a mountain that had over 2000 ft vert somewhere between timberline and snowshow if I remember correctly.