I dislike Bush

[noreaster]

7) It' sex. S-E-X. Oral SEX. The problem with morality in this nation is that we can't call it what it is. You have to say "Whatever" because to call it SEX would mean your war hero Clinton actually LIED under oath. Perjury is a serious crime in this nation. In a nation of laws, perjury is the one thing that can destroy it utterly. Try it sometime... I doubt you'll get off as easily. (Pun intended).

-Stephen

Stephen we got to get over this Clinton sex thing that happen a decade ago. Anyway were talking about GWB not Clinton.

Getting back to GWB, the following does not surprise me given GWB's record number of executions while Govenor of Texas.

GWB's interrogation techniques might, one day, reveal interesting information about al-Qaida. To do that GWB is in violation of the Geneva Convention Article 17 rules that captives are obliged to give only their name, rank, number and date of birth. No "coercion may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever". In the hope of breaking them, however, the authorities have confined them to solitary cells and subjected them to what is now known as "torture lite": sleep deprivation and constant exposure to bright light. Unsurprisingly, several of the prisoners have sought to kill themselves, by smashing their heads against the walls or trying to slash their wrists with plastic cutlery.

GWB administration argues that Al Qaeda members don't qualify because they don't have these qualifications: (1) being under a responsible command; (2) having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (3) carrying arms openly; and (4) conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. At times they have included the qualification of wearing a military uniform. Back last February, Bush said the Taliban and Al Qaeda were enemy combatants. After a lot of heat, he revised his position to recognize that Taliban soldiers were entitled to POW protections but not Al Qaeda. I think they call this a FLIP FLOP. This Administration has been making up the rules as it goes along and refuses to concede that enemy combatants are entitled to judicial review of its decision.

"Article 5 of the Third Geneva Convention states that if there is "any doubt" as to whether captured combatants should be recognized as POWs, "such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal." In other words, if doubt exists, the status of each detainee must be determined individually, not by a blanket decision of the President."

"Even if not technically prisoners of war, al Qaeda and Taliban captives still qualify for "humane treatment" under the Body of Principles for the Protection of All Persons under Any Form of Detention or Imprisonment, a resolution adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1988."

 

[Stephen]

The Taliban was an established ruling party. Al Queda has never been more than a terrorist group, leaders of only themselves. You want to give them the same judicial process that can't keep child sex killers behind bars?

How many have we filmed while we've decapitated them and then posted it online? How many have been forced to decide between jumping out of a burning skyscraper or burning to death? We find them and give them medical treatment, food, clothing and shelter. They find our wounded, shoot them, then hang their burnt bodies from a bridge. Al Queda in our captivity recieve 1000 times better treatment than our allies do in their captivity.

You are demanding that we treat them like someone that's been pulled over for DWI. This is war. People die. Things get broken. Ugly things happen. I am comfortable with the treatment these non-humans are getting.

What is your solution, walking away? Just let them be? They'll get us. Do we compromise with them? Appease them? Hitler in Europe taught us the futlity of that.

The only solution here is to destroy them. THEY have arranged their belief system so that it is us or them. I am not sorry to say that I think we should choose US 100% of the time.

-Stephen

 

[noreaster]

The Taliban was an established ruling party. Al Queda has never been more than a terrorist group, leaders of only themselves. You want to give them the same judicial process that can't keep child sex killers behind bars? -Stephen

I want the Untied State to treat POWs and Prisoners of any crime in a humane manner. I think UN needs to have a competent tribunal to determine how to treat the Taliban and Al Queda. President of the United States should not have the power to make up rules on his own. Until then Geneva Convention Article 17 needs to be enforced for all Iraq Prisoners.

My personal opinion is the way a society treats its prisoners says a lot about who we are.

Stephen One thing we are in agreement on is War is ugly real ugly. War is a true test of who we are. If we even start to act like our enemy, then that makes us just as bad as they are.

 

[loafer89]

To touch on you comment about the increase in forest fires. The National Forest Service has a history of suppresing forest fires since 1928, long before Clinton was even born. The Forest Service has a blank check to suppress 99.7% of all forest fires nationwide.

Fire is a natural part of the forest life cycle, and mankind if now interfering with that cycle. Decades of old/dead growth has been accumulating in our national forests and this makes things ripe for the huge blazes that we have had in recent years.

Climate change/global warming are also having a big impact on the health of our forests and there ability to resist fires. In Alaska where 6.5 million acres of forest were comsumed by fire last year, the region suffered through the 4th warmest summer period (May - August) in 100 years, with average temperatures mean temperatures 5F above the norm. Anchorage only received 3.2" of precipitation during the entire summer, the dryest in the city history.

The warming climate has also allowed the spruce bark beetle to infest and destroy 3.2 million acres of woodland in Alaska, making for a potential forest fire disaster. Previously the colder climate in Alaska kept the beetle in check, but this is no longer the case.

In the lower 48, there has been a persistent drought in the western states for at least the last 10 years. Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington are in a desperate situation this spring due to the lack of winter snowfall and accumulated snowpack which in some spots is nearly 75% below the average. While California did recieve bountifull snowfall in excess of 150% of normal, they are the only state in the west not currently on the drought index monitor.

Bottom line, climate change and government policy of obstructing the natural cycle of fire have put us in a bad spot. I am with most people in that I also do not want to see our national forests burn down, but that choice may be taken away from us if the drought continues. I fear that this may be the worst forest fire season on record.

 

[IRB1]

Ok Mrs. Loafer again my husband and I decided it was better for me to log on myself IRB1. I am going to try again to explain what I meant, we went into Iraq for OIL. This is not "liberal playbook" this is what I believe if its not true then why did GWB try to sell it to us for all of those other reasons.
The oil is there, we found it just where it always was, but now that we are in control of it pipelines are being sabotaged, oil worker are being kidnapped and beheaded so its not flowing as fast as he thought it would.

Clinton did not lie about Somalia or Bosnia, yes people died there but we as a nation were told why we were going there what goals we had in being there and then we did it, as quickly and cleanly as possible.

Loafer 89 already adressed the forest fire issue so I will leave that alone

If you think our relationship with Saudi Arabia is "straightforward" then I hope you never need to pass a DWI test. This is a country ruled by hipocritical lazy Prince's. Womem are not allowed to drive, be educated, or travel alone, on the other hand her male family members can stone her to death if she is found alone with a man even if it was only a minute and nothing happened.

Its call HONOR KILLING. This is a country we do business with everday. HMMM SA is buying our debt
so once they are out of oil they will still have power over us.

Finally, SEX I know its oral sex trust me Ive performed quite a bit of it. My husband a REPUBLICAN felt that I should not use the word and since I was posting under his name I agreed.

About Clinton prejury I am bothered more by the fact that he was asked about it. I don't care who is crawling under a presidents desk to give him head, a good orgasam is great stress relief I think all presidents should have one everyday but thats just my opinion.

 

[ChileMass]

Finally, SEX I know its oral sex trust me Ive performed quite a bit of it.

About Clinton......I don't care who is crawling under a presidents desk to give him head, a good orgasam is great stress relief I think all presidents should have one everyday but thats just my opinion.

Ahem......

Mrs. Loafer, you rule......even if I disagree with them, I am impressed by the strength of your convictions........ :beer:

 

[BeanoNYC]

Finally, SEX I know its oral sex trust me Ive performed quite a bit of it.

About Clinton......I don't care who is crawling under a presidents desk to give him head, a good orgasam is great stress relief I think all presidents should have one everyday but thats just my opinion.

Ahem......

Mrs. Loafer, you rule......even if I disagree with them, I am impressed by the strength of your convictions........ :beer:

Ditto, welcome to the forum. Your hubby's a cool dude. I grew up on the Island, btw, ....Seaford to be exact.

 

[Peter the great]

ahem...

I would like to take the opportunity to apploigize to the people that I have wrongly lower their self esteem by calling them names and other slander, but sometimes I will read something that makes my blood boil and I want to kill them. like dmc, I misinterpreted his post to think that he was in favor of the war in Iraq and bushes conquest for oil. I hope I haven't offended anyone I didn't mean to. If I was aiming to offend you and I did, then my work here is done. :flame:

 

[dmc]

War....
ehhh... Good god now..
What is it good for....?
Absolutely nothing...



I don't like it when people die for oil as well as imposing our values on an ancient society....

 

[Vortex]

Finally, SEX I know its oral sex trust me Ive performed quite a bit of it.

About Clinton......I don't care who is crawling under a presidents desk to give him head, a good orgasam is great stress relief I think all presidents should have one everyday but thats just my opinion.

Ahem......

Mrs. Loafer, you rule......even if I disagree with them, I am impressed by the strength of your convictions........ :beer:

Ditto, welcome to the forum. Your hubby's a cool dude. I grew up on the Island, btw, ....Seaford to be exact.

Welcome to the board. You have sparked some interest. Thankx for joining in.