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Those are global sales, Sprint is only looking at the US market. The high end smartphone market in the US is reaching saturation, all the growth is in mid-range Androids at this point. MAYBE Apple increases the number of devices to 20 million in the US. That's probably a stretch. There are some people that will turn over devices more quickly than every 2 years, due to damage/loss, iDiots who need the newest version even if it's because it's white now, 18 month renewal on a 2 year contract, whatever. So optimistically, the US market for iPhones could reach 60 million over the next 4 years. Maybe. Probably not. But even then, Sprint's stuck needing to get half of the iPhone market, and they're coming from a position of being the distant third and already are losing money. The WiMax iPhone makes absolutely no sense given the pending switch to LTE, which effectively drops Sprint to the back of the pack in regards to 4G despite being the first mover. So they won't even have that to brag about.

It's a no-win for Sprint. If they were smart they'd hitch their horse to Nokia, there they might have a chance with much lower risk.
Considering Sprint I don't think has shown a profit since 2006(?) what do they have to loose by make a deal like this! Hell, Apple will probably end up owning Sprint in 4 years when they can't pay for all the phones!
 

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Considering Sprint I don't think has shown a profit since 2006(?) what do they have to loose by make a deal like this! Hell, Apple will probably end up owning Sprint in 4 years when they can't pay for all the phones!
Yep, that's about it. I don't see this not ending in bankruptcy.

But it ties up their resources so they don't have any options. All WP7 is missing is support from phone makers and carriers. All the OEMs are pretty much taking their latest Android, working it over, and releasing it 3-6 months later as WP7 and then letting it sit as is for a year. It's pretty much been a year since a new phone's been released. Then the carriers are promoting iPhones and Androids, with large amounts of the staff not really even aware of WP7. Nokia solves the OEM issue. Sprint gets Nokia exclusivity, and then they have a true differentiator and WP7 finally gets evangelists throughout the entire ecosystem; I'm just not sure it would be good for Nokia.

Maybe the FTC will block the move because having only three carriers would be anti-competitive.
 

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So I'm pretty pleased with the internals and the software updates. I would have really liked a new form factor with a bigger edge to edge screen, but can live with it for now and I'm pretty much ready to upgrade.
 

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So I'm pretty pleased with the internals and the software updates. I would have really liked a new form factor with a bigger edge to edge screen, but can live with it for now and I'm pretty much ready to upgrade.

You getting the $399 version with 2 year contract? :wink:
 

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So I'm pretty pleased with the internals and the software updates. I would have really liked a new form factor with a bigger edge to edge screen, but can live with it for now and I'm pretty much ready to upgrade.

Let me know how much you find yourself talking to your phone...
 

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So I'm pretty pleased with the internals and the software updates. I would have really liked a new form factor with a bigger edge to edge screen, but can live with it for now and I'm pretty much ready to upgrade.
I'm curious what benefit a dual core processor brings to a phone that doesn't multitask. The pixel race is meaningless beyond 5MP. Call me when it gets a 2-step hardware camera shutter. Everything else is still playing catch-up or still lagging behind Android and WP7.
 

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Everything else is still playing catch-up or still lagging behind Android and WP7.

No, Apple is innovative, and they're the only ones who are!

Apple told me so, but they teased me for 8 months before telling me, so it must be true!
 

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I'm curious what benefit a dual core processor brings to a phone that doesn't multitask. The pixel race is meaningless beyond 5MP. Call me when it gets a 2-step hardware camera shutter. Everything else is still playing catch-up or still lagging behind Android and WP7.

The thing is I don't really give a crap what Android or WP7 are doing. If they are maybe 1/2 a step ahead here and there what does it really matter except to serious gear geeks. There would have to be a serious shift in technology more me to switch off of the iOS platform right now. Are there some things that Apple does that annoy me? Sure, are they enough for me to walk away? No.
 

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From my observations of relatives with 4G phones, it's really not that much faster and a real battery suck.

Apple claims the iPhone 4S will be just as fast as 4G phones, up to 2 times faster than the iPhone 4.
 

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The thing is I don't really give a crap what Android or WP7 are doing. If they are maybe 1/2 a step ahead here and there what does it really matter except to serious gear geeks. There would have to be a serious shift in technology more me to switch off of the iOS platform right now. Are there some things that Apple does that annoy me? Sure, are they enough for me to walk away? No.

Doesn't sound like you're a fan of a 2-step hardware camera shutter either.:p

Personally I would rather something that is easy, works and is stable. I'm not a big tech geek, suck at IT and don't even know what that camera shutter thing is so I probably don't really need it. After the gingerbread fiasco last spring with my android that seems to have finally resolved everything(last month) that it screwed up I think I might give the iPhone a shot. If I don't like it, androids I am sure will be around in 2 years when its time for a new one.
 

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The thing is I don't really give a crap what Android or WP7 are doing. If they are maybe 1/2 a step ahead here and there what does it really matter except to serious gear geeks. There would have to be a serious shift in technology more me to switch off of the iOS platform right now. Are there some things that Apple does that annoy me? Sure, are they enough for me to walk away? No.
I get the impediment of switching your music library over from iTunes and having to restock the app library. Aside from the fundamental difference in interface between WP7 and iOS/Android, there isn't that much of a gap between any of the phones on the market. All the spec differences either get washed out by the OS needs (e.g., better processors on Android) or don't make a real difference (beyond monitor resolution pictures.)

But Apple in general is continuing to live off their branding and marketing over actually bringing a surperior product to market. They shouldn't capture any more of the market with the 4s, because for a new consumer they don't have anything as a differentiator. My suspicion is that they might pick up a few people on the 3GS, just so people not willing to pay for a phone can say they have a [2 year old] iPhone. Other than that, I'd think anyone into Apple already has one, and that sales will be mostly limited to 3GS owners.

Plus I need to make fun of Apple fanboys on this least momental of days.
 

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Apple claims the iPhone 4S will be just as fast as 4G phones, up to 2 times faster than the iPhone 4.

Yes, but that must be processing speed, not network speed. Apple can't do anything about improving network speed... that's up to the carriers.

4G is hella-fast on Verizon. With LTE on my DL speeds are around 14 meg and upload is around 5 meg. I think at home I get 10 meg down / 2 meg up.

3G speeds are like 10% of that. 1 - 2 meg down and 300 - 500kbps up.
 

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Doesn't sound like you're a fan of a 2-step hardware camera shutter either.:p

Personally I would rather something that is easy, works and is stable. I'm not a big tech geek, suck at IT and don't even know what that camera shutter thing is so I probably don't really need it. After the gingerbread fiasco last spring with my android that seems to have finally resolved everything(last month) that it screwed up I think I might give the iPhone a shot. If I don't like it, androids I am sure will be around in 2 years when its time for a new one.
Take a good look at WP7. Almost everything I've wanted to do is as simple as "I wonder if doing this will work," and it does. I haven't had it lock up me once since the first update was rolled out in March. Android is the phone for major geeks. And I don't really understand who else.

The two step hardware shutter is where, on a point and shoot camera, you depress the button halfway to get it to focus, then fully to take the picture. I hate taking pictures on other people's phones because I'm never really sure where it's going to focus; the two step shutter solves this problem.
 
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