Jay Peak summit elevation

[from_the_NEK]

What is the true summit elevation of Jay Peak?

Jay Peak ski resort's website claims 3,968 ft. At least that is the figure that comes up when you add the stated vertical (2,153 ft) to the base elevation (1,815 ft).

Every other source I can find (other than ski websites that get the stats from the resort) have the summit about 110 feet lower between 3,853 ft. (wikipedia), 3,857 ft (topo map meter elevation of 1175.9 converted to feet), and 3,861 ft (http://americasroof.com/highest/vt.shtml).

Looking in Google Earth, the base of the Village chair is 1,837 and the highest summit elevation I can find seems a bit low at 3,774.

Where did this extra 100+ ft come from?

 

[kingdom-tele]

3850-3880 depends on if your standing at the tram terminal or sitting on the granite bench on the ridge. maybe they are taking the number from the top of the weather tower with the GPS held on a stick


they also get 400" fo snow a year NEK:roll:

 

[jrmagic]

3850-3880 depends on if your standing at the tram terminal or sitting on the granite bench on the ridge. maybe they are taking the number from the top of the weather tower with the GPS held on a stick


they also get 400" fo snow a year NEK:roll:

Marketing departments can do anything.

 

[from_the_NEK]

3850-3880 depends on if your standing at the tram terminal or sitting on the granite bench on the ridge. maybe they are taking the number from the top of the weather tower with the GPS held on a stick


they also get 400" fo snow a year NEK:roll:

Playing with fuzzy snow total numbers is one thing. However, the summit elevation should be set in stone .



Burke recently "updated" their vert from 2000' to 2011'. With the new lift being about 15 ft high I can now see this as being closer to accurate. 10 feet is one thing but 100+ is stretching it.

 

[mister moose]

When I was researching vertical drop numbers I also came across the Mt Snow overstatement of vertical. It apparently dates back to the early days and was never corrected. Look at the topo, and all you'll find from base to summit is 1,585. The mountain claims 1,700 feet.

 

[deadheadskier]

True Up Vertical guy enters in 3,2,1................

 

[drjeff]

When I was researching vertical drop numbers I also came across the Mt Snow overstatement of vertical. It apparently dates back to the early days and was never corrected. Look at the topo, and all you'll find from base to summit is 1,585. The mountain claims 1,700 feet.

Summit to the base of the tubing hill (which a few folks actually ski/ride down at the end of the day to get back to their cars parked in the lower lots) is the 1700 feet. Summit the the main base lodge is the 1585 feet. Way back when, before the tubing hill was converted from a ski run into the tubing hill AND ASC decided to put the Grand Summit Hotel in AND a glorified "road" between the hotel and the base lodge, it was continuous verts if you wanted them. Now, unless you feel like skiing/riding across 1 lane of asphalt it's not happening. Although in certain renditions of Mount Snow's new master plan, that might just change at some time in the future

 

[thetrailboss]

Jay Peak has repeatedly used the term "4,000 feet" to describe their summit and it is a pet peeve of mine since it certainly does not break 4,000 feet.

The true summit, in my mind, is the granite bench that was referred to in this thread. But maybe, like Snowbird, there was a higher point that they bulldozed/blasted to smithereens to build the tram terminal and they are reminiscent of a time when that higher point existed. :-?

 

[Cannonball]

USGS Topo for Jay uses meters and cites 1,175.9m as the summit which equals 3,858 ft.

edit: whoops, missed that you already said that. oh well.

 

[troy]

they got the lying part down @ J! It served them well though...

 

[Nick]

Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

 

[jrmagic]

Jay Peak has repeatedly used the term "4,000 feet" to describe their summit and it is a pet peeve of mine since it certainly does not break 4,000 feet.

The true summit, in my mind, is the granite bench that was referred to in this thread. But maybe, like Snowbird, there was a higher point that they bulldozed/blasted to smithereens to build the tram terminal and they are reminiscent of a time when that higher point existed. :-?

Blasting over 100 vert off the top??

 

[MadPatSki]

Jay Peak has repeatedly used the term "4,000 feet" to describe their summit and it is a pet peeve of mine since it certainly does not break 4,000 feet.

As a kid, they were using 4,001' to be precise. Tremblant had 3,001' also... Both driven by marketing's crap which increased the summit by approximately 200' each.


See old Tremblant map here.

 

[thetrailboss]

Blasting over 100 vert off the top??

Snowbird took 40 or 50 vertical feet off of Hidden Peak for the Tram.

 

[marcski]

Summit to the base of the tubing hill (which a few folks actually ski/ride down at the end of the day to get back to their cars parked in the lower lots) is the 1700 feet. Summit the the main base lodge is the 1585 feet. Way back when, before the tubing hill was converted from a ski run into the tubing hill AND ASC decided to put the Grand Summit Hotel in AND a glorified "road" between the hotel and the base lodge, it was continuous verts if you wanted them. Now, unless you feel like skiing/riding across 1 lane of asphalt it's not happening. Although in certain renditions of Mount Snow's new master plan, that might just change at some time in the future

And then you could take the the chain-driven, Mixing Bowl, chairlift back up and get some grease drippings onto your jacket. .

 

[threecy]

The true summit, in my mind, is the granite bench that was referred to in this thread. But maybe, like Snowbird, there was a higher point that they bulldozed/blasted to smithereens to build the tram terminal and they are reminiscent of a time when that higher point existed. :-?

3,861' on the 1953 USGS topo.

 

[awf170]

While we're in the process of calling resorts out.... check out Magic, they advertise their base elevation at 1,150ft. It's more like 1,400ft. They also add that extra 250 feet to their vert!

 

[Gnarcissaro]

Something I love calling out the WV fans in my area on....

WATERVILLE VALLEY loves to claim 4000' for their dumpy little resort. In fact, on their website stats they claim a 4,004 foot summit elevation and 2,020 foot vertical.

The summit of Mt. Tecumseh (the mtn on which the resort sits) is at 4,004. Does the lift go to the true summit? Not even close.

Top of High Country, I'd give 3830' plus or minus. High Country being the BS double lift you may ride once a day. So as far as I'm concerned, the "top" of Waterville for my purposes is the top of the quad, which is about 3450'. Base of about 1880' gives them a whopping vert of about 1570 when lapping the quad. Sorry, not enough to play with the big boys.

Topo map

 

[threecy]

Something I love calling out the WV fans in my area on....

WATERVILLE VALLEY loves to claim 4000' for their dumpy little resort. In fact, on their website stats they claim a 4,004 foot summit elevation and 2,020 foot vertical.

The summit of Mt. Tecumseh (the mtn on which the resort sits) is at 4,004. Does the lift go to the true summit? Not even close.

Top of High Country, I'd give 3830' plus or minus. High Country being the BS double lift you may ride once a day. So as far as I'm concerned, the "top" of Waterville for my purposes is the top of the quad, which is about 3450'. Base of about 1880' gives them a whopping vert of about 1570 when lapping the quad. Sorry, not enough to play with the big boys.

Topo map

They'll have 1,912' vertical feet open tomorrow, which only two other ski areas in the state (Loon, Wildcat) can claim at the moment.

 

[riverc0il]

Yup, Jay lies. No reason to go their, it's all marketing.

I don't care much for their labeling the Summit Haus "Elevation 4000" which is a load of BS.

I was under the impression that Jay claimed around 3800-3900 actual summit elevation despite the a fore mentioned BS.

Regarding Waterville, I used to have the impression they lied about 2000' vert but I think it was demonstrated that they actually have 2k vert despite not having a 4k summit.

Regarding Magic, it does seem to ski like it has 1600 vert so I'd be surprised to hear that their vert is off.