thanks for all the input guys. my gf is buying hers in the next week or so, so we have been test driving outbacks with the sport shift auto, pretty nice, decent power (drove another one last night). When I buy mine it will be 5 speed, but since that won't be for 6-12 months, gonna wait on the test drive. I have been very impressed by the outback ever since I started looking at them. I never had any intention of ever buying a subaru until I went on the lot and started looking at/driving them. They definately seem like the most practical car for snow sport enthusiasts like us.