mount snow to install a bubble 6 pack next year!

[Smellytele]

The bubble isn't just a marketing construct. Similar lifts have been installed at many other ski areas, and they are still in service. They don't get vandalized, any more than any other ski equipment (i.e., not so much). Skiing is expensive, and people do it for pleasure. It doesn't attract very many of the bozos who want to ruin the experience for themselves or for others.

I disagree. They end up getting scratched, carved and my favorite burned with lighters and cigs. Similar to how it happens to gondolas. Not that I care because as others have said when I ski there (which is rarely) I don't really ski the front face except to get back to the base at lunch and the end of the day.

 

[oakapple]

I disagree. They end up getting scratched, carved and my favorite burned with lighters and cigs. Similar to how it happens to gondolas.

You don't see those gondolas being taken out of service, as a result of that, do you? Nope.

 

[drjeff]

I disagree. They end up getting scratched, carved and my favorite burned with lighters and cigs. Similar to how it happens to gondolas. Not that I care because as others have said when I ski there (which is rarely) I don't really ski the front face except to get back to the base at lunch and the end of the day.

The thing about this lift's location and with respect to where the parks are at Mount Snow (since lets be honest for a second here, the crowd that is most likely to vandalize a lift - be it sticker it, burns, scratches, write on it, etc, by far and away spends the majority of their time in the parks) is that if you're lapping the parks all day, you WON'T be riding the Bluebird, except for maybe that 1st run of the day if "Mom and Dad" parked at the Main Base area instead of over at Carinthia. This has just been the plain fact of the matter the last 4 seasons or so at Mount Snow since they made Carinthia the park area. The number of folks, who stereotypically would do some defacing of a lift has dropped dramatically in the Main Base area. Will this hold true with the new lift too?? Only time will tell, but I suspect that the draw of a 40' booter and a good line of boxes/rails will supercede the appeal of writing ones name and/or placing a sticker of one's favorite indy label band on the inside of a bubble

 

[marcski]

Rastabahn at Vail was taken down after years of struggling with being vandalized.

 

[Smellytele]

The thing about this lift's location and with respect to where the parks are at Mount Snow (since lets be honest for a second here, the crowd that is most likely to vandalize a lift - be it sticker it, burns, scratches, write on it, etc, by far and away spends the majority of their time in the parks) is that if you're lapping the parks all day, you WON'T be riding the Bluebird, except for maybe that 1st run of the day if "Mom and Dad" parked at the Main Base area instead of over at Carinthia. This has just been the plain fact of the matter the last 4 seasons or so at Mount Snow since they made Carinthia the park area. The number of folks, who stereotypically would do some defacing of a lift has dropped dramatically in the Main Base area. Will this hold true with the new lift too?? Only time will tell, but I suspect that the draw of a 40' booter and a good line of boxes/rails will supercede the appeal of writing ones name and/or placing a sticker of one's favorite indy label band on the inside of a bubble

Very prejudice toward one aspect of Mt Snow clientele.

 

[Newpylong]

Agreed on a lot of parts but except the evolution of a company and the product suffering. Couldn't you argue they are trying to better the product? They have installed additional snowmaking guns, and now lifts. Prior to Peak's taking over, the last thing that even happened was the installation of Canyon and Nitro in 1997 Hopefully soon, they will add snowmaking capacity as well to allow for more coverage. And let's be honest, Mount Snow has never been or tried to be Smuggler's Notch or Magic with antiquated systems that just do the job under low traffic. Mount Snow has been mainstream since Walt created it day 1 with all the fountains and swimming pools (and weird lifts for show). I think you're expecting the mountain to be something it isn't. I have accepted the fact that parking lot and certain lifts and slopes will be full of people. I know where to hide and what lifts to take to avoid people. When I want to be alone I go to Magic. When I want to go where I know there is a decent "product" and where I call home - I go to Mount Snow.

True, there are many other options and I will exercise that choice, as I'm sure many people will. I just see the sad evolution of a company becoming more and more corporate. It's all about the bottom line. I understand it's a business and businesses have to make money, especially in a bad econmomy. But these things tend to get taken too far. They are trying to mass produce the skiing experience and run the mountain with greater benefits of the economies of scale. The problem is that the product quality usually suffers when this happens.

I'd rather get 8 runs a day at Smuggs, freezing my butt off on the slow, double chairs, than get 20 runs in but spend the majority of them just trying to avoid hitting/getting hit by someone.

Again, I understand not everyone feels like I do. And in a way, I'm glad Mt. Snow will be drawing the masses to them on the weekends. It just means more trail for me when I go somewhere else.

 

[Smellytele]

You don't see those gondolas being taken out of service, as a result of that, do you? Nope.

No they keep running them until they start falling off - wildcat, sugarloaf.

 

[drjeff]

Very prejudice toward one aspect of Mt Snow clientele.

Prejudice, maybe Or as I prefer to call it in my increasing age and *cough* the wisdom *cough* that is supposed to come with the increasing age, i'm just more of a realist :lol:

With respect to Mount Snow atleast, there's absolutely no doubt as to which existing lift has the most amount of stickers/writing on it and "pole punctured" chair pads, and what type of terrain it serves. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind to that this is a GREAT thing (where the lift "vandalism" seems to occur in the greatest amount) as that terrain sells LOTS of tickets from opening day to closing day, and that's a GREAT thing in my book!

 

[Glenn]

I wouldn't say it's prejudice at all; Carinthia has a younger crowd. There's a much different "lift line and chair riding experience" over there vs the main face. We were all teenagers once....

 

[Smellytele]

I wouldn't say it's prejudice at all; Carinthia has a younger crowd. There's a much different "lift line and chair riding experience" over there vs the main face. We were all teenagers once....

First of all I was joking by saying that he was eluding that the park crowd was more destructive than other aspects of the clientele. I believe Drjeff got it.

 

[marcski]

From: http://www.chairlift.org/vail.html :


"(16) VISTA BAHN (DOPPELMAYR) - Built in 1985 as a bubble quad, the Vista Bahn had its bubbles removed for the
2004-05 season. They had become too scratched and the lift now runs better in higher winds."


Interesting that it said it runs better NOW in the winds with the bubble's removed!

I think some bubble(s) were also removed from chairs at Steamboat.

 

[Smellytele]

From: http://www.chairlift.org/vail.html :


"(16) VISTA BAHN (DOPPELMAYR) - Built in 1985 as a bubble quad, the Vista Bahn had its bubbles removed for the
2004-05 season. They had become too scratched and the lift now runs better in higher winds."


Interesting that it said it runs better NOW in the winds with the bubble's removed!

I think some bubble(s) were also removed from chairs at Steamboat.

The bubbles can act more as sails.

 

[vcunning]

I wouldn't say it's prejudice at all; Carinthia has a younger crowd. There's a much different "lift line and chair riding experience" over there vs the main face. We were all teenagers once....

Glenn, you are totally off base here. Since I will be learning to ride this year, the average age at Carinthia will become much older

Were you at our place when a couple of kids started to take our bench off our porch and make it a feature on Grommet? It was a pretty funny conversation I had with them.

 

[C-Rex]

Agreed on a lot of parts but except the evolution of a company and the product suffering. Couldn't you argue they are trying to better the product? They have installed additional snowmaking guns, and now lifts. Prior to Peak's taking over, the last thing that even happened was the installation of Canyon and Nitro in 1997 Hopefully soon, they will add snowmaking capacity as well to allow for more coverage. And let's be honest, Mount Snow has never been or tried to be Smuggler's Notch or Magic with antiquated systems that just do the job under low traffic. Mount Snow has been mainstream since Walt created it day 1 with all the fountains and swimming pools (and weird lifts for show). I think you're expecting the mountain to be something it isn't. I have accepted the fact that parking lot and certain lifts and slopes will be full of people. I know where to hide and what lifts to take to avoid people. When I want to be alone I go to Magic. When I want to go where I know there is a decent "product" and where I call home - I go to Mount Snow.

Fair enough. I have much less tolerance for crowds than your average guy so I probably feel more strongly about it than others as well. What can I say? When it comes to snowboarding I'm selfish. I want all the good turns for me and mine. However, in the end, I'm happy to see more people out enjoying winter. So many people just sit in the house and complain when they could be having so much fun playing in the snow.

 

[drjeff]

Glenn, you are totally off base here. Since I will be learning to ride this year, the average age at Carinthia will become much older

Were you at our place when a couple of kids started to take our bench off our porch and make it a feature on Grommet? It was a pretty funny conversation I had with them.

I'll make sure then to stock PLENTY of Tangeray to act as post learn to board anesthetic! :lol:

 

[Newpylong]

Fair enough. I have much less tolerance for crowds than your average guy so I probably feel more strongly about it than others as well. What can I say? When it comes to snowboarding I'm selfish. I want all the good turns for me and mine. However, in the end, I'm happy to see more people out enjoying winter. So many people just sit in the house and complain when they could be having so much fun playing in the snow.

It makes me happy to see kids out skiing or riding rather than playing games!

 

[marcski]

It makes me happy to see kids out skiing or riding rather than playing games!

This we can all agree upon!!!

 

[drjeff]

Fair enough. I have much less tolerance for crowds than your average guy so I probably feel more strongly about it than others as well. What can I say? When it comes to snowboarding I'm selfish. I want all the good turns for me and mine. However, in the end, I'm happy to see more people out enjoying winter. So many people just sit in the house and complain when they could be having so much fun playing in the snow.

It makes me happy to see kids out skiing or riding rather than playing games!

This we can all agree upon!!!

Yup, much, much better to see crowded slopes instead of new additions to the NELSAP (New England Lost {CLOSED} Ski Areas Project) website!!

 

[vcunning]

I'll make sure then to stock PLENTY of Tangeray to act as post learn to board anesthetic! :lol:

Yep, you can watch me, Mark and Erika from the Cunningham Snow Bar and Grill starting at 4:30 every Saturday!

 

[dennis]

Yep, you can watch me, Mark and Erika from the Cunningham Snow Bar and Grill starting at 4:30 every Saturday!

Hmmmm, may have to check out my lifts:razz: in the pm as well as the am.