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LOL!

Yeah, wow! That's a pretty expansive recall they have going on now. I've always wondered if something could go wrong with a drive by wire setup..guess that answers my question. I'll take a regular ol gas pedal with a cable hooked to the throttlebody any day.
 

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Don't know why I clicked on this thread but I think it should be better named as this is certainly note worthy! I had no idea about the Toyota recall until reading the two posts above. Have been hearing concerns about the famous "Toyota Reliability" for a while now (including friends that had a major issue with a Scion that their dealer refused to fix on warranty even though it is a widely known manufacturing defect). This type of bad press combined with some really interesting forthcoming offerings from US companies could create some interesting opportunities to be had.
 

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wonder if the chinks in the armor of Toyota reliability has anything to do with it's greater involvement in Fuji Industries and Subaru, etc. Overall corporate profit goals leading to a cheapened quality product?
 

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The overall impressions I'm getting on automobile reliability are:

  • On the whole, cars are more reliable than they used to be
  • The industry leaders aren't as good anymore as they used to be
  • The industry trailers aren't as bad anymore as they used to be
And from personal experience, after a car is old enough it's reliability depends as much (or more) on how well it was taken care of than what make/model it is.

I'm watching this story with some interest as well...and after the way that the press screwed Audi over on it's "unintended acceleration" reports a while ago I think they need to be on top of this one.
 

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Yet another reason standards are better than automatics, I say.

Props to Toyota for acting quickly and decisively. Haven't seen anything (haven't looked that hard, either) on what's actually causing the problem and why, so can't say much else.
 

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Yet another reason standards are better than automatics, I say.

Props to Toyota for acting quickly and decisively. Haven't seen anything (haven't looked that hard, either) on what's actually causing the problem and why, so can't say much else.
What is the definition of "quickly and decisively"? Seems that reports on this issue started a few years ago...
 

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What is the definition of "quickly and decisively"? Seems that reports on this issue started a few years ago...

I think that was the November recall (slow degredation of the pedal), rather than the recent "stop selling" recall related to sudden catching on the floormat.
 

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The overall impressions I'm getting on automobile reliability are:

  • On the whole, cars are more reliable than they used to be
  • The industry leaders aren't as good anymore as they used to be
  • The industry trailers aren't as bad anymore as they used to be
And from personal experience, after a car is old enough it's reliability depends as much (or more) on how well it was taken care of than what make/model it is.

I'm watching this story with some interest as well...and after the way that the press screwed Audi over on it's "unintended acceleration" reports a while ago I think they need to be on top of this one.

That hurt Audi sales so badly, they almost had to pull out of the North American market. Turns out, it wasn't unintended acceleration...it was drivers mashing the wrong pedal. I drove an Audi 5000 for a few years...I never had that problem. The pedals, however, were a bit closer than other cars.
 

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That hurt Audi sales so badly, they almost had to pull out of the North American market. Turns out, it wasn't unintended acceleration...it was drivers mashing the wrong pedal. I drove an Audi 5000 for a few years...I never had that problem. The pedals, however, were a bit closer than other cars.
I've read the same complaints about the Volvo S40 (which I have). It does seem that the pedals are closer together, but I don't have any problems. May be because I have narrow feet.

Guess I just think that the press needs to be out there with this story, since there are some real problems lurking in newer Toyotas. I own a Toyota and I think I would still buy one again, but I'd like to see how this issue is handled.
 
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