Threedom Pass Has Bretton Woods

[stomachdoc]

Saw on Waterville's Web site today that Bretton Woods will replace Loon on the Threedom Pass. As before, the price structure is such that an "unlimited" pass with no Blackout Days at Bretton Woods is the most expensive, with a "Limited Edition" pass with no blackout days at WV/Cranmore but some peak days blacked out at BW available for a considerable cost savings. I wasn't aware of a fiduciary relationship between Booth Creek and Mount Washington Resort, but this appears to be a comarketing strategy.

 

[deadheadskier]

Personally,

I don't understand why the Mount Washington Valley resorts don't offer a joint pass. I think it would be extremely beneficial to the area by having a four mountain pass: Attitash, Cranmore, Black and Wildcat. By combining the four, I bet that region would steal a lot of skiers from Vermont and perhaps Maine.

With those four there is something for everyone, excellent variety

Attitash: good intermediate cruising terrain and I've heard a very good terrain park
Cranmore: great learning hill with night skiing on weekends
Black: also good for learning, classic narrow trails and decent expert terrain
Wildcat: big vert, natural snowfall approaching Vermont areas, decent back country I'm told, late spring skiing season.

Granted, none of these areas individually come close IMO to the northern vermont areas, but combined they offer a great total package.


I guess the challange would be splitting the season pass revenue between the four resorts. They would probably have to introduce scanning at all of them to make it work.

 

[ckofer]

Some areas seem to offer a discount if you have a season pass to another place. I'm not sure how this works out on the bottom line, but it seems to be a way to sway traffic from other mountains.

 

[stomachdoc]

I flashed my Threedom Pass at Burke yesterday; didn't save me a penny! Nice day at Burke, though!

 

[kickstand]

Personally,

I don't understand why the Mount Washington Valley resorts don't offer a joint pass. I think it would be extremely beneficial to the area by having a four mountain pass: Attitash, Cranmore, Black and Wildcat. By combining the four, I bet that region would steal a lot of skiers from Vermont and perhaps Maine.

With those four there is something for everyone, excellent variety

Attitash: good intermediate cruising terrain and I've heard a very good terrain park
Cranmore: great learning hill with night skiing on weekends
Black: also good for learning, classic narrow trails and decent expert terrain
Wildcat: big vert, natural snowfall approaching Vermont areas, decent back country I'm told, late spring skiing season.

Granted, none of these areas individually come close IMO to the northern vermont areas, but combined they offer a great total package.


I guess the challange would be splitting the season pass revenue between the four resorts. They would probably have to introduce scanning at all of them to make it work.

There is such a pass, but it's only available to Valley residents. It's controlled by the Chamber of Commerce. Not being a Valley resident, I don't know the particulars of the pass, but I do know Attitash opted out of the package with the new owners. Needless to say, the locals I was speaking to were not pleased.

As for the new Booth Creek/BW deal, Booth Creek has a working relationship with CNL Income Properities. I don't know the details, but they a REIT with interests in Loon, Bretton Woods, Sunday River and Sugarloaf in the east. It looks like they just switched the deal from Loon to BW. I was trying to find who BW's actual owner is, but I couldn't find it. I guess it would be either CNL or Celebration Associates. Someone at the resort told me the new owner is a subsidiary of Disney, but I found nothing about that online.

 

[thetrailboss]

I flashed my Threedom Pass at Burke yesterday; didn't save me a penny! Nice day at Burke, though!

Wish I had known you were going to be there...I might have skied past you...

 

[stomachdoc]

I was the 45 year old being taken to school in the glades (all 10 of 'em in one day) by two 14 year old boys and a 12 year old girl (my daughter). Once a year we head up as I'm the only dad able (read that: "stupid") enough to ski those glades.

Didn't break anything.......except my spirit!!!!

 

[kickstand]

There is such a pass, but it's only available to Valley residents. It's controlled by the Chamber of Commerce. Not being a Valley resident, I don't know the particulars of the pass, but I do know Attitash opted out of the package with the new owners. Needless to say, the locals I was speaking to were not pleased.

As for the new Booth Creek/BW deal, Booth Creek has a working relationship with CNL Income Properities. I don't know the details, but they a REIT with interests in Loon, Bretton Woods, Sunday River and Sugarloaf in the east. It looks like they just switched the deal from Loon to BW. I was trying to find who BW's actual owner is, but I couldn't find it. I guess it would be either CNL or Celebration Associates. Someone at the resort told me the new owner is a subsidiary of Disney, but I found nothing about that online.

I stand corrected - it looks like the COC made the pass available to everyone this year:

http://www.mtwashingtonvalley.org/snowmuchfun/

 

[MichaelJ]

I was the 45 year old being taken to school in the glades (all 10 of 'em in one day) by two 14 year old boys and a 12 year old girl (my daughter).

*laughs* I was actually biting my tongue on Sunday, trying not to shout at a couple of teenagers that the 38-year-old was kicking their butts in Wild West.

We're actually quite tempted by the notion of a WV/BW pass. Una_dogger is at the novice verging on intermediate level for which BW is perfect with their variety of terrain, while the glades and other tree dips keep me entertained when I'm not keeping her company. WV I enjoy a lot as well when I feel like I want to stay on trail but more advanced.

If they threw in Cannon as a third I'd buy it tomorrow.

 

[Telemechanic]

As for the new Booth Creek/BW deal, Booth Creek has a working relationship with CNL Income Properities. I don't know the details, but they're a REIT with interests in Loon, Bretton Woods, Sunday River and Sugarloaf in the east. It looks like they just switched the deal from Loon to BW. I was trying to find who BW's actual owner is, but I couldn't find it. I guess it would be either CNL or Celebration Associates. Someone at the resort told me the new owner is a subsidiary of Disney, but I found nothing about that online.

CNL Income Properties owns Bretton Woods along with the Mount Washington Hotel, the Bretton Arms Country Inn and the Lodge at Bretton Woods. Celebration Associates and Crosland Inc. hold a long term lease to operate the "resort". Its likely Celebration / Crosland and not CNL formed a relationship with Booth Creek to create the new Threedom Pass. CNL contributes monies for capital improvments at its resort and collects annual lease payments but doesn't concern itself with operations including developing ski passes.
CNL also owns Loon, Sugarloaf and Sunday River in the east. Boyne Resorts hold the leases to operate these areas.

 

[deadheadskier]

I stand corrected - it looks like the COC made the pass available to everyone this year:

http://www.mtwashingtonvalley.org/snowmuchfun/

as great as that is for the locals, I still think they are selling themselves short as a destination by not offering such a pass to transient folk and having it include weekends. I think even if they charged a premium, say $800, it would still steal a lot of would be Vermont skiers due to the variety of all the areas there and the 4 season appeal for real estate.