Will Americans be Allowed to Ski in Canada Next Winter?

[drjeff]

The difference is that the vaccination record is in the provincial database associated with your health card. It’s really easy to cross check the .pdf you upload to ArriveCAN and your health record. It’s big fines if you get caught. US vaccination is so politicized that there is no way to confirm that the flimsy vaccination card isn’t a forgery.

With the Delta variant now the dominant strain, I don’t see Canada allowing Americans in until they achieve herd immunity. It’s a country with real public health.

In some US based healthcare record systems there is some recording of vaccination status now.

For example, when I received my vaccinations months ago, I filled out the form with my information and health insurance information. I received my vaccinations through my local hospital, which ISN'T part of the hospital network that my primary care physician is affiliated with. When I went for my annual physical about a month ago, the receptionist asked me my vaccination status, I told her I had been, but didn't give her the dates or my vaccination record card that I had on me, and when I was talking my my primary care doc during my physical, he was able to see on my record (and tell me the exact dates of my vaccinations) that I had been vaccinated.

So in some cases at least, there is some documentation of vaccination status, being entered into one's electronic medical record, without the individual providing the direct documentation to their own healthcare provider/network

 

[machski]

The difference is that the vaccination record is in the provincial database associated with your health card. It’s really easy to cross check the .pdf you upload to ArriveCAN and your health record. It’s big fines if you get caught. US vaccination is so politicized that there is no way to confirm that the flimsy vaccination card isn’t a forgery.

With the Delta variant now the dominant strain, I don’t see Canada allowing Americans in until they achieve herd immunity. It’s a country with real public health.

This may be, but they are also socialistic, limiting an enforcing maximum number of people who can be in a private residence, etc. IMHO they have gone way too far restricting rights of their own citizens. Public health aside.

 

[HowieT2]

I was talking to Howie about maybe jumping on a trip this winter with him up there. Playing the wait and see right now. Based on the availably of cat skiing and Heli slots, it seems that most people are betting that this will not be an issue. Most weeks are full and the waiting list is big.

'nothing available now. All the reservations from last winter got rolled over to this upcoming season.

 

[HowieT2]

Kicking Horse was a 2 day warm up before the Feet of Powder at Chatter Creek
Skied all over the world for 50+ years, and nothing will ever beat that

once you go cat, you never go back. I've been going to Valhalla for years now. Every day is the best ski day ever.

 

[2Planker]

once you go cat, you never go back. I've been going to Valhalla for years now. Every day is the best ski day ever.

I like that

 

[p_levert]

This may be, but they are also socialistic, limiting an enforcing maximum number of people who can be in a private residence, etc. IMHO they have gone way too far restricting rights of their own citizens. Public health aside.

Not disagreeing with this.

OTOH, as a vaccinated person, I would love to be able to obtain a vaccine passport so that I could ski in Canada.

 

[machski]

Not disagreeing with this.

OTOH, as a vaccinated person, I would love to be able to obtain a vaccine passport so that I could ski in Canada.

Canada would have to be interested in that first. Even if we had and our "Vax Pass" were secure, I am suspect they'd be any faster to reopen the border.

 

[JimG.]

Forgive me if I chuckle when there is a discussion about digital vaccine passports being any more counterfeit-proof than paper cards.

 

[deadheadskier]

In some US based healthcare record systems there is some recording of vaccination status now.

For example, when I received my vaccinations months ago, I filled out the form with my information and health insurance information. I received my vaccinations through my local hospital, which ISN'T part of the hospital network that my primary care physician is affiliated with. When I went for my annual physical about a month ago, the receptionist asked me my vaccination status, I told her I had been, but didn't give her the dates or my vaccination record card that I had on me, and when I was talking my my primary care doc during my physical, he was able to see on my record (and tell me the exact dates of my vaccinations) that I had been vaccinated.

So in some cases at least, there is some documentation of vaccination status, being entered into one's electronic medical record, without the individual providing the direct documentation to their own healthcare provider/network

A BIG part of my job is selling EHR integration services to hospitals. There are many players in the market and the companies that provide EHR systems tend to be very different between hospitals and primary care facilities.

But all of the data and notes are in the same HL7 format. So sharing between different EHR providers is becoming far more simple.

 

[Geoff]

Forgive me if I chuckle when there is a discussion about digital vaccine passports being any more counterfeit-proof than paper cards.

My point was that it’s trivial for Canada to cross check vaccination records for their citizens. It’s in your provincial health record database. If you upload fraudulent information to ArriveCAN, you face stiff fines and jail time. Generally in the United States, you can’t do that.

Besides, this is moot. This was in my news feed this morning.

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"I can tell you right now that's not going to happen for quite a while," Trudeau said during a campaign-style stop in British Columbia on Thursday.

The Canadians are very aware of all the nutty right wingers just over their border and aren’t going to let them in until they achieve herd immunity. With the Delta variant and ongoing outbreaks in the United States, it could easily be another year.

 

[Geoff]

In some US based healthcare record systems there is some recording of vaccination status now.

For example, when I received my vaccinations months ago, I filled out the form with my information and health insurance information. I received my vaccinations through my local hospital, which ISN'T part of the hospital network that my primary care physician is affiliated with. When I went for my annual physical about a month ago, the receptionist asked me my vaccination status, I told her I had been, but didn't give her the dates or my vaccination record card that I had on me, and when I was talking my my primary care doc during my physical, he was able to see on my record (and tell me the exact dates of my vaccinations) that I had been vaccinated.

So in some cases at least, there is some documentation of vaccination status, being entered into one's electronic medical record, without the individual providing the direct documentation to their own healthcare provider/network

Sure. I can see my vaccination certificate on the CDC VAMS site and I can see it in the hospital web portal to their Epic database. Dates. Vaccine used. Lot number. Most of the country didn’t do it that way. The rest of the first world doesn’t have that problem. Your vaccination record is in your health care database. It’s really easy to create vaccine passports that are highly accurate and are cross-checked.

 

[dblskifanatic]

My point was that it’s trivial for Canada to cross check vaccination records for their citizens. It’s in your provincial health record database. If you upload fraudulent information to ArriveCAN, you face stiff fines and jail time. Generally in the United States, you can’t do that.

Besides, this is moot. This was in my news feed this morning.

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The Canadians are very aware of all the nutty right wingers just over their border and aren’t going to let them in until they achieve herd immunity. With the Delta variant and ongoing outbreaks in the United States, it could easily be another year.

There are plenty of nutty left wingers that are not vaccinated will they let them in?

 

[Andrew B.]

My point was that it’s trivial for Canada to cross check vaccination records for their citizens. It’s in your provincial health record database. If you upload fraudulent information to ArriveCAN, you face stiff fines and jail time. Generally in the United States, you can’t do that.

Besides, this is moot. This was in my news feed this morning.

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The Canadians are very aware of all the nutty right wingers just over their border and aren’t going to let them in until they achieve herd immunity. With the Delta variant and ongoing outbreaks in the United States, it could easily be another year.

Nice political troll!

 

[BenedictGomez]

US vaccination is so politicized that there is no way to confirm that the flimsy vaccination card isn’t a forgery.

What you call, "politicized", I call freedom.

 

[BenedictGomez]

A BIG part of my job is selling EHR integration services to hospitals.

You'll have job security for years.

When I was knee-deep in Wall Street, "EHR" was about the biggest thing going, it was right around the corner, you better learn the major players & invest in them NOW or you'll be left behind. This ship is gigantic, and it's leaving the station.






That was 17 years ago.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Canadians are very aware of all the nutty right wingers just over their border and aren’t going to let them in until they achieve herd immunity.

FULLY VACCINATED POPULATION: July 8, 2021

America 48%
Canada 40%

But sure, spew your ridiculous left-wing socialized medicine propaganda.

Actually, why isnt Canada at almost 100% by now?

It's been many months............ Herp-derp....... Derp-herp.....

 

[Edd]

FULLY VACCINATED POPULATION: July 8, 2021

America 48%
Canada 40%

But sure, spew your ridiculous left-wing socialized medicine propaganda.

Actually, why isnt Canada at almost 100% by now?

It's been many months............ Herp-derp....... Derp-herp.....

Not familiar with this source I’m linking but I seem to recall Canada having trouble accessing doses early on and planning on spreading out the intervals. It appears access isn’t a problem now.

The Vaccine Sharing Pledge the World Needs From Canada

Canada will get at least 20 million excess mRNA doses by the end of September and should share them.

www.globalcitizen.org

 

[machski]

Not familiar with this source I’m linking but I seem to recall Canada having trouble accessing doses early on and planning on spreading out the intervals. It appears access isn’t a problem now.

The Vaccine Sharing Pledge the World Needs From Canada

Canada will get at least 20 million excess mRNA doses by the end of September and should share them.

www.globalcitizen.org

That would likely be because the US prebought hundreds of millions of doses (for the record, pre Biden Admin) for its citizens. Canada, with their fantastic government universal healthcare where you take a deli ticket number and wait for care, did not by comparison. So they lacked early on. Hmmmm

 

[thebigo]

Was assisting Canadian colleagues yesterday with a large software update. Brought this topic up while waiting for a 1.3 GB file to download, the comment was made that everyone who wants a shot either has it or an appointment over the next several weeks. They are in the same boat as us, peak vaccine.

 

[SenorQuesadilla]

Was assisting Canadian colleagues yesterday with a large software update. Brought this topic up while waiting for a 1.3 GB file to download, the comment was made that everyone who wants a shot either has it or an appointment over the next several weeks. They are in the same boat as us, peak vaccine.

If people are waiting weeks for their second doses then Canada and US are not in the same boat re: peak vaccine.

edit to add: wow, actually looking up the numbers makes it really clear how big the difference is. Canada is at 69.4% with one dose, while the US is at 55.8%.