Progress on Deer Valley's New Sister Resort

[raisingarizona]

Your right, the bottom parts of the resort will have to rely on alot of man-made snow. The section circled in red has the best potential for good skiing....
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It's a lift served real estate project. The snow isn't important. The lift system will still get homeowners up and out to the upper elevations to ski.

No snow to shovel or remove from your roof/property could be a selling point!

There's plenty of ski areas in Europe that have low elevation lifts that are primarily people movers for 30-70% of the winter until snow levels drop. Theres plenty of different ways to see and do things than the way we are used to doing things in the US and A. It does look like an excessive amount of low elevation cut ski runs imo but I'm wrong about a lot of things.

 

[ss20]

It's a lift served real estate project. The snow isn't important. The lift system will still get homeowners up and out to the upper elevations to ski.

No snow to shovel or remove from your roof/property could be a selling point!

There's plenty of ski areas in Europe that have low elevation lifts that are primarily people movers for 30-70% of the winter until snow levels drop. Theres plenty of different ways to see and do things than the way we are used to doing things in the US and A. It does look like an excessive amount of low elevation cut ski runs imo but I'm wrong about a lot of things.

I'm with you on all points, and equally confused about how much they're planning to cut down low. The additional access/parking/real estate is all great and I'm for it. I just can't wrap my head around how they plan to cover an area the size of a Vermont mega resort that has a climate similar to northern Massachusetts. 1 out of every 10 years even with top notch snowmaking they're going to not have that portal skiable by Christmas. It's just...weird. Parking access was priority #1 and selling homesites is a bonus but I struggle to think they'll have significant ROI given how much snowmaking they area will require.

 

[jaytrem]

You can go on Google maps and see what's already been cut. Some big WIDE runs.

 

[raisingarizona]

I'm with you on all points, and equally confused about how much they're planning to cut down low. The additional access/parking/real estate is all great and I'm for it. I just can't wrap my head around how they plan to cover an area the size of a Vermont mega resort that has a climate similar to northern Massachusetts. 1 out of every 10 years even with top notch snowmaking they're going to not have that portal skiable by Christmas. It's just...weird. Parking access was priority #1 and selling homesites is a bonus but I struggle to think they'll have significant ROI given how much snowmaking they area will require.

Yeah. I’d think you’d keep it simple Euro style with one or two pistes down to the main hubs. Trying to keep those runs open is going to have a major impact on operational costs and having most of those runs bare most of the winter during most years ain’t a good look either.

 

[tumbler]

Do they use the Jordanelle for snowmaking water?

 

[BenedictGomez]

You can go on Google maps and see what's already been cut. Some big WIDE runs.

Yeah, I question the logic of how wide some of these runs are going to be. They've already cut a pretty impressive number of trails I'd say, I'd have to imagine they're ahead of schedule in that department.

Do they use the Jordanelle for snowmaking water?

Yup.

Pretty sure the Jordanelle's where my drinking water comes from too; they use Jordanelle for all sorts of things.
Summer 2021 I learned DC-10s use it when Summt Park's about to burn down.

 

[ss20]

Yeah, I question the logic of how wide some of these runs are going to be. They've already cut a pretty impressive number of trails I'd say, I'd have to imagine they're ahead of schedule in that department.



Yup.

Pretty sure the Jordanelle's where my drinking water comes from too; they use Jordanelle for all sorts of things.
Summer 2021 I learned DC-10s use it when Summt Park's about to burn down.

I've heard DV is essentially unlimited in how much they can draw, too. Gonna need some big pumps! It will work most years but they can't half ass this snowmaking system. Full auto, fan guns, big pumping capacity all going to be a must.

Snowbird surprisingly terrible today. Must've gotten rain down low but a lot of places are awful chunk ice

 

[ThatGuy]

Snowbird surprisingly terrible today. Must've gotten rain down low but a lot of places are awful chunk ice

That sucks, my roommates all went to Brighton tonight its probably a sheet of ice. i opted out since I have a 5 day private so been skiing hard. Conditions here in PC were spring like with really soft snow

 

[BenedictGomez]

Conditions here in PC were spring like with really soft snow

Is it a #$÷@ show with Christmas crowds yet? Was thinking of showing up on the PC side tomorrow at 1pm when parking opens.

 

[ThatGuy]

Is it a #$÷@ show with Christmas crowds yet? Was thinking of showing up on the PC side tomorrow at 1pm when parking opens.

Eh not too bad, at least on Canyons side. Lots of inexperienced people bombing down though

 

[thetrailboss]

And this will come as no surprise…..

Utah lawmakers who approved luxury ski resort took $100k in donations from developer

The Salt Lake Tribune identified $112,500 in donations from Extell Developers to Utah Senate Republican leadership who advocated for and approved the MIDA-funded Mayflower ski resort project.

www.sltrib.com

 

[pinion]

Deer Valley Unveils Phasing for Eastward Expansion

Deer Valley Resort today detailed plans to open a two stage gondola and eight chairlifts for the 2025-26 season in phase one of Expanded Excellence. Deer Valley also revealed the new village portal…

liftblog.com

This kind of growth seems crazy and unsustainable. Approaching PCR size.

 

[thetrailboss]

Deer Valley Unveils Phasing for Eastward Expansion

Deer Valley Resort today detailed plans to open a two stage gondola and eight chairlifts for the 2025-26 season in phase one of Expanded Excellence. Deer Valley also revealed the new village portal…

liftblog.com

This kind of growth seems crazy and unsustainable. Approaching PCR size.

And yet Alterra can’t keep the lifts operating properly at Sugarbush….

 

[NYDB]

And this will come as no surprise…..

Utah lawmakers who approved luxury ski resort took $100k in donations from developer

The Salt Lake Tribune identified $112,500 in donations from Extell Developers to Utah Senate Republican leadership who advocated for and approved the MIDA-funded Mayflower ski resort project.

www.sltrib.com

It always amazes me how little it actually costs to bribe our elected representatives, legally or otherwise.

 

[kingslug]

And yet Alterra can’t keep the lifts operating properly at Sugarbush….

Bet they spend a shitload more money on ops there as opposed to sb...

 

[drjeff]

Bet they spend a shitload more money on ops there as opposed to sb...

Alterra seems to be way more interested thus far at spending the big infrastructure $$ at their Western properties compared to their Eastern properties

 

[kingslug]

I imagine that DV generates a ton of money compared to SB.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Alterra seems to be way more interested thus far at spending the big infrastructure $$ at their Western properties compared to their Eastern properties

Almost all these Alterra & Vail brass are western people. Sometimes it's obvious they have no clue about eastern skiing, in an almost - "look how cute it is" fashion.

 

[BenedictGomez]

This thing is absolutely ginormous as pictured, both in the skiing layout and the "city" they're building west of the Jordanelle.

I have a real hard time believing this all gets built as depicted. Already I see it appears the gondy rumored to be going from Mayflower to Snowpark's apparently been scrapped given it's not on the below diagram. So much for the, "everyone who lives on the Wasatch Back can take the gondola to work instead of driving to Park City" talking point, I called that out some pages back as ridiculous BS.

And where the hell is all the money for this going to come from? Sixteen lifts? I imagine the gondy alone's going to cost ~$15'ish million. Is Alterra not going to spend anywhere else over the next 3 years, lol.

 

[kingslug]

Deer valley annual revenue...600 million.