Results Are IN!! Condorcet Poll Best Ski Resorts in NY, ME, NH & VT

[skiersleft]

Best Ski Resort in NY Alpine Zone Condorcet Poll

1. Whiteface (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)

2. Gore loses to Whiteface by 21–13

3. Hunter loses to Whiteface by 22–8, loses to Gore by 24–8

4. Plattekill loses to Whiteface by 25–4, loses to Hunter by 19–8

5. Tied: Belleayre loses to Whiteface by 26–3, loses to Plattekill by 19–8 Windham loses to Whiteface by 27–3, loses to Plattekill by 18–9

7. Holiday Valley loses to Whiteface by 23–0, loses to Belleayre by 14–5

8. Tied: Bristol loses to Whiteface by 21–1, loses to Holiday Valley by 10–8 Greek Peak loses to Whiteface by 22–2, loses to Holiday Valley by 10–8

10. Catamount loses to Whiteface by 27–0, loses to Bristol by 10–7

11. West Mountain loses to Whiteface by 23–0, loses to Catamount by 11–9

12. Snow Ridge loses to Whiteface by 22–0, loses to West Mountain by 13–5

13. Peek and Peak loses to Whiteface by 20–0, loses to Snow Ridge by 9–5

Best Ski Resort in Maine Alpine Zone Condorcet Poll

1. Sugarloaf (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)

2. Saddleback loses to Sugarloaf by 47–7

3. Sunday River loses to Sugarloaf by 47–8, loses to Saddleback by 29–24

4. Mount Abram loses to Sugarloaf by 42–3, loses to Sunday River by 35–10

5. Shawnee Peak loses to Sugarloaf by 46–1, loses to Mount Abram by 25–16

6. Black Mountain loses to Sugarloaf by 35–0, loses to Shawnee Peak by 27–5

7. Camden Snow Bowl loses to Sugarloaf by 39–0, loses to Black Mountain by 16–15

8. Big Rock loses to Sugarloaf by 34–0, loses to Camden Snow Bowl by 19–10

Best Ski Resort in New Hampshire Alpine Zone Condorcet Poll

1. Cannon (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)

2. Wildcat loses to Cannon by 51–18

3. Loon loses to Cannon by 57–11, loses to Wildcat by 52–19

4. Attitash Bear Peak loses to Cannon by 59–7, loses to Loon by 40–25

5. Bretton Woods loses to Cannon by 57–10, loses to Attitash Bear Peak by 40–26

6. Waterville Valley loses to Cannon by 58–5, loses to Bretton Woods by 41–23

7. Mount Sunapee loses to Cannon by 57–4, loses to Waterville Valley by 33–26

8. Ragged loses to Cannon by 56–1, loses to Mount Sunapee by 32–21

9. Gunstock loses to Cannon by 60–5, loses to Ragged by 29–23

10. Black Mountain loses to Cannon by 50–3, loses to Gunstock by 26–24

11. Cranmore loses to Cannon by 53–3, loses to Black Mountain by 28–24

12. Crotched loses to Cannon by 45–4, loses to Cranmore by 23–18

13. Pats Peak loses to Cannon by 56–2, loses to Crotched by 22–19

14. Dartmouth Skiway loses to Cannon by 43–0, loses to Pats Peak by 32–10

15. Whaleback loses to Cannon by 47–0, loses to Dartmouth Skiway by 25–14

Best Ski Resort in Vermont Alpine Zone Condorcet Poll

1. Jay (Not defeated in any contest vs. another choice)

2. Stowe, loses to Jay by 28–26

3. Sugarbush, loses to Stowe by 32–26

4. Mad River Glen, loses to Sugarbush by 38–19

5. Smuggs, loses to Mad River Glen by 26–25

6. Burke, loses to Smuggs by 28–23

7. Killington, loses to Burke by 27–26

8. Magic, loses to Killington by 29–22

9. Pico, loses to Magic by 27–21

10. Stratton, loses to Pico by 25–24

11. Mount Snow, loses to Stratton by 31–21

12. Bolton, loses to Mount Snow by 26–24

13. Okemo, loses to Bolton by 28–20

14. Bromley, loses to Okemo by 30–18

15. Middlebury, loses to Bromley by 24–12

16. Suicide Six, loses to Middlebury by 20–12

DISCUSS!!!

 

[fbrissette]

Results are much closer in Vermont. Shows that there are lots of quality resorts to choose from.

 

[skiersleft]

Results are much closer in Vermont. Shows that there are lots of quality resorts to choose from.

I think that's right. Vermont is the capital of Eastern skiing. Next poll will pit the top 3 resorts in each state against each other.

On other comment. Sadly, I haven't skied New Hampshire, although I plan to do so this year. I was surprised by the fact that Cannon defeated Wildcat so handily. Is Cannon clearly better than Wildcat? I always thought that they were more or less on par.

 

[Smellytele]

The Vermont results do not show what the losses are to the overall winner as do the others.

 

[Puck it]

I think that's right. Vermont is the capital of Eastern skiing. Next poll will pit the top 3 resorts in each state against each other.

On other comment. Sadly, I haven't skied New Hampshire, although I plan to do so this year. I was surprised by the fact that Cannon defeated Wildcat so handily. Is Cannon clearly better than Wildcat? I always thought that they were more or less on par.

Both have great views and good skiing. But Cannon has the best terrain by far. Glades, Steepness and Slackcountry(not only Mittersill). Come on up and see why!!!

 

[skiersleft]

The Vermont results do not show what the losses are to the overall winner as do the others.

Yes, that's right. And I don't understand why the results don't show that. I do have access to the following matrix which shows how each vermont resort fared against each other. It's a little difficult to figure out at first, but once you do it has all the information you need and then some.

		1.	2.	3.	4.	5.	6.	7.	8.	9.	10.	11.	12.	13.	14.	15.	16.
1. Jay		-	28–26	28–26	36–19	44–11	43–11	45–11	45–5	48–6	53–3	53–3	47–4	56–0	52–0	43–1	40–1
2. Stowe		.	-	32–26	34–21	39–15	37–15	48–10	42–11	48–5	54–3	50–7	46–4	55–2	47–3	42–2	38–2
3. Sugarbush		.	.	-	38–19	43–14	40–15	52–10	39–13	51–5	55–4	55–5	51–2	57–3	50–3	43–2	39–0
4. Mad River Glen		.	.	.	-	26–25	31–19	35–20	41–8	43–7	43–7	42–11	41–6	46–5	42–5	39–2	34–4
5. Smuggs		.	.	.	.	-	28–23	28–24	37–10	39–10	39–11	38–13	43–6	43–8	45–1	40–1	36–1
6. Burke		.	.	.	.	.	-	27–26	31–15	38–11	40–11	41–11	42–6	44–7	46–1	40–2	39–0
7. Killington		.	.	.	.	.	.	-	29–22	36–18	44–12	43–15	38–13	51–6	42–7	37–5	34–4
8. Magic		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	27–21	31–19	33–19	29–14	33–17	38–9	28–9	31–7
9. Pico		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	25–24	25–24	28–20	36–15	34–12	32–8	30–7
10. Stratton		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	31–21	26–20	34–18	33–15	27–13	31–21
11. Mount Snow		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	26–24	35–20	34–17	27–13	31–7
12. Bolton		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	28–20	30–13	28–10	30–5
13. Okemo		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	30–18	25–13	26–9
14. Bromley		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	24–12	22–12
15. Middlebury		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-	20–12
16. Suicide Six		.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	-

 

[skiersleft]

Both have great views and good skiing. But Cannon has the best terrain by far. Glades, Steepness and Slackcountry(not only Mittersill). Come on up and see why!!!

Will do. The plan was to ski New Hampshire last season, but I cancelled because of the lackluster season we had. So, if everything goes as planned I will definitely come on up this year. Looking forward. And thanks for the explanation as to why Cannon beats Wildcat. Didn't know that Cannon's terrain is considerably better than Wildcat's.

 

[riverc0il]

I was surprised by the fact that Cannon defeated Wildcat so handily. Is Cannon clearly better than Wildcat?

Yes.

Dartmouth is really low because not many have skied it. I think I had the Skiway as 5th or 6th for NH. Middlebury is also really low in VT probably because not many have skied it. I probably had Midd around 10th or so for VT.

 

[skiersleft]

Yes.

Dartmouth is really low because not many have skied it. I think I had the Skiway as 5th or 6th for NH. Middlebury is also really low in VT probably because not many have skied it. I probably had Midd around 10th or so for VT.

Interesting. Any other surprises for you? How about areas that were ranked too high?

I'm a Killington fan, so I was surprised that it ranked 7th in VT, but I didn't find it surprising given the preferences of AZoners. It also goes to show how deep the Vermont ski pool is. Any of the top 7 at least would have probably made the top 3 in any other state.

 

[Nick]

I may have inadvertently skewed your Maine results.

I posted the polls on our Facebook wall and Sugarloaf had shared it; so I bet you got several Sugarloaf votes from people following them that might not necessarily be AZ members. Although I would have bet SL might have won anyway, but perhaps not by that margin!

 

[riverc0il]

No big surprises. Surprised Jay got number one. The top five in VT are very difficult to rank. For myself, I could prefer any one of the top five (except Sugarbush) on any given day depending on a number of factors. Overall though, I don't think Jay is the best overall area in VT (though it certainly is up there as one of my favorites) so that surprised me.

 

[riverc0il]

No big surprises. Surprised Jay got number one. The top five in VT are very difficult to rank. For myself, I could prefer any one of the top five (except Sugarbush) on any given day depending on a number of factors. Overall though, I don't think Jay is the best overall area in VT (though it certainly is up there as one of my favorites) so that surprised me.

That was a another minor surprise, I figured Sunday River would beat out Saddleback and maybe even the Loaf. There are a lot of SR pass holders on the board. The board also has a ton of Loaf lovers though. Maybe I just never hit the place right, but I think it looks more impressive visually than it skis. Just something I don't 'get' about the Loaf. But that says more about my preferences than it does about the Loaf, certain is deserving of a number one slot.

 

[skiersleft]

I may have inadvertently skewed your Maine results.

I posted the polls on our Facebook wall and Sugarloaf had shared it; so I bet you got several Sugarloaf votes from people following them that might not necessarily be AZ members. Although I would have bet SL might have won anyway, but perhaps not by that margin!

That's funny! Cool that sugarloaf shared it. But - as you point out - I don't think Sugarloaf would've lost anyway. So, it's all good. I was surprised by Saddleback beating Sunday River. Although - again - given the makeup of AZoner's, I should probably not be surprised.

 

[skiNEwhere]

I'm surprised MRG is #4. I expected possibly #2, with the lowest being #3 due to all the hype on this board. I think the only thing it's got going against it is that there are such long wait times on big pow days

 

[fbrissette]

Surprised Jay got number one.

It's got a waterpark !

 

[WWF-VT]

meh...another day, another poll

 

[Cannonball]

I was surprised by the fact that Cannon defeated Wildcat so handily. Is Cannon clearly better than Wildcat?

Absolutely.

And thanks for the explanation as to why Cannon beats Wildcat. Didn't know that Cannon's terrain is considerably better than Wildcat's.

Terrain is better. But lift situation is better beyond comparison. In the words of Jules Winnfield: "ain't the same f****n' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same f****n' sport."

 

[jrmagic]

I was somewhat surprised that Stowe lost the number one spot to Jay but it was only by two votes. I'm not at all shocked that the Middlebury ski bowl scored so low but as Riv stated, its likely that not a lot of folks have skied there which hurt it a bit.

 

[steamboat1]

Middlebury doesn't have a bar & doesn't serve beer/liquor. That's why it ranked so low.

They do however have a library in the base lodge which is something no other ski area has to my knowledge.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Surprised Jay got number one. The top five in VT are very difficult to rank.

I speculate it's only because this is a board of mostly expert skiers, who are heavily weighting tree skiing disproportionately to other ski factors in their decision-making process. That would lead to a "Jay bias" in the poll.