Tug hill vs northern VT forecast

[Snowlover]

you're calling bullshit on your own bullshit? Because no one other than you claims 375" a season.

Jay peak does. Your ignorance is laughable.

 

[Snowlover]

Your a persistent little one. Is your ass still hurting from this spanking?

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-272820.html

I thought I WANT the fight....aren't I troll. Aren't they just moron's feeding me? hmmmm
20 on 1 is never a good outcome. lol

http://www.slopefillers.com/resort-trolls/

Someone got the attention of a ski marketing website. Interesting. The funny thing is people think it's just one person. lol

 

[Snowlover]

The problem we have in the NE is actually not snowfall. It is preservation.

Say you got 160 inches over 4 months. That's about 10 inches per week. Wouldn't you love once a week 10 inch or twice a week 5 inch snowfall? Obviously, I am simplifying to make a point, but the amount isn't bad, that's the point.

But that's always interjected by rain, 40 degree temperature fluctuations, freezing, thawing, etc. So, the snow we get doesn't keep -- it counts only if you get it until one of these things happen, which is often.

I wasn't comparing east to west. I was comparing tug hill to northern vt. Both have the exact thing you were talking about.(thaws ect.) So your point is asinine.

 

[Snowlover]

Exactly

Exactly wrong.lol

 

[Snowlover]

the snow reporting numbers at Mansfield is an interesting discussion. Are you talking about the coop? If so, the reason it records less than the resort reports is that the coop measures snow in a cylinder as they have for as long as there have been records. While this is inaccurate because it doesn't catch all the snow that falls because of wind, it is maintained for consistency with historical records. The Stowe snow reports are legit and they do average about 310" a year.
I agree with your skepticism about jay. They may get some more than Stowe but I doubt it's the 350" claimed.

I also posted figures from nws at jay peak base. Anyway, this whole thing is a joke because people have an agenda/ego about northern vt being the powder destination of the northeast. They can't handle the truth. I think if jay claimed 550 inches, people would be saying jay gets just as much snow as alta, but the only thing separating them is thaws. Just think how many pow days are had there, even if you took into account thaws. It's laughable.

 

[Snowlover]

The problem we have in the NE is actually not snowfall. It is preservation.

Another mute point. Pow is tracked out out west at most area's in one day max. You're talking base depth, not amount of true pow days. And like I said I was comparing tug hill, which gets more thaws than northern vt anyway.

 

[MadMadWorld]

I also posted figures from nws at jay peak base. Anyway, this whole thing is a joke because people have an agenda/ego about northern vt being the powder destination of the northeast. They can't handle the truth. I think if jay claimed 550 inches, people would be saying jay gets just as much snow as alta, but the only thing separating them is thaws. Just think how many pow days are had there, even if you took into account thaws. It's laughable.

Everyone gets it. Tug Hill gets more snow than any other ski area in the northeast. All ski areas lie about snowfall totals including Jay (Stowe is usually fair). Jay also manipulates how good the snow is with the photos they take. I'd just rather ski a mountain like Smuggs/Jay because the terrain is a million times better even if they inflate the numbers.

 

[Snowlover]

Everyone gets it. Tug Hill gets more snow than any other ski area in the northeast. All ski areas lie about snowfall totals including Jay (Stowe is usually fair). Jay also manipulates how good the snow is with the photos they take. I'd just rather ski a mountain like Smuggs/Jay because the terrain is a million times better even if they inflate the numbers.

Snow ridge doesn't lie. Alta doesn't lie. Wolf creek doesn't lie. Their claims match up. Of course jay manipulates their pictures. They have a guy go into the woods and ski through a wind blown drift. LOL Go into an honest ski shop in northern vt and ask them how often you'll NEED a 120mm plus wide ski in VT.1 or 2 days a year if you're lucky and that's if you live locally or can take off at the drop of a hat. More at tug hill for sure. Anything over 18 inches non wind exposed and 120 comes alive. I would never recommend anyone ski in 2 feet of pow or more with less than 115 with a ton of rocker and very little or no camber. Makes a HUGE difference. Also, there's only a space of 5pm to 9am for that amount of snow to fall untracked. So you're not getting that much usage out of a ski like that in VT.
Now compare that to wolf creek where you'll be using that ski a few times a week at times during the year. Wolf creek average snowfall at base = 435 inches. So basically close to jay peak claims. ABSURD. Absolutely completely asinine. So far out of wack it's ridiculous. Even if jay got that amount, you could never ski it properly a lot of the time anyway due to wind exposure. Very wind effected. It would be like you tried to ski the top of pike's peak. Elevation is relative to surrounding area. That's why vt even at a low elevation is so wind exposed.

 

[Savemeasammy]

Tug hill forecast-North florence, ny
Tonight Snow, mainly after 4am. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 7. Wind chill values as low as -10. Southwest wind 8 to 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible.
Wednesday Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 11. Wind chill values as low as -10. West wind 14 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 28 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 6 to 9 inches possible.
Wednesday Night Snow showers, mainly before 9pm. Low around 0. Wind chill values as low as -20. West wind around 11 mph becoming south after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible.
Thursday Snow showers likely, mainly after 10am. Cloudy, with a high near 14. Wind chill values as low as -20. South wind around 16 mph becoming west in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Thursday Night Snow showers likely, mainly before midnight. Cloudy, with a low around -3. West wind 11 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 31 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
Friday Snow showers likely, mainly before noon. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near 4. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
Friday Night A chance of snow showers before 9pm, then a chance for flurries before ending. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 2. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Northern vt, 3300 feet
Basically just flurries for a week out.

Tonight A 40 percent chance of snow showers, mainly after midnight. Cloudy, with a low around -2. Wind chill values as low as -26. Windy, with a west wind 20 to 26 mph. Total nighttime snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
Wednesday Snow showers likely, mainly before noon. Cloudy and cold, with a high near 3. Wind chill values as low as -27. Windy, with a southwest wind 23 to 29 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.
Wednesday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around -5. Wind chill values as low as -29. Windy, with a west wind 23 to 28 mph decreasing to 16 to 21 mph after midnight.
Thursday Snow showers likely, mainly between 1pm and 3pm. Cloudy and cold, with a high near 4. Wind chill values as low as -28. Breezy, with a southwest wind 17 to 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.
Thursday Night A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -8. Breezy, with a west wind 8 to 13 mph increasing to 17 to 22 mph in the evening. Winds could gust as high as 40 mph. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
Friday Partly sunny and cold, with a high near 0. West wind around 16 mph.
Friday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around -8. West wind 8 to 13 mph becoming south after midnight.

Just follow it over a winter. Tug hill average snowfall from multiple stations = around 250 inches. Snow ridge is snowiest ski area in east. Really no comparison. Follow the weather for the truth. Also look at the winds in the forecast! 30mph sustained in Vermont. All the pow will be blown off on wind exposed trails obviously. The high peaks of northeast are notoriously wind exposed. Snow ridge, which is on the east side of the tug hill will have great wind protection from prevailing westerlies and obviously not as windy period as high peaks of the greens(4000 feet). Also, it seems as if it's almost always snowing up there on the tug. All you need is a west wind! Great packed powder conditions as well. No reason for snow guns up there! Ride the real stuff!

Oh and lake effect season is starting to come to end/greatly reduce due to how cold/frozen the lake is getting and lack of arctic air this time of year. If you had followed this all year, tug hill crushed northern vt high elevations when it came to frequency and snow total, which are both important.

Sure, kid... Yawn...


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[St. Bear]

Wolf creek average snowfall at base = 435 inches. So basically close to jay peak claims. ABSURD. Absolutely completely asinine. So far out of wack it's ridiculous. Even if jay got that amount, you could never ski it properly a lot of the time anyway due to wind exposure. Very wind effected. It would be like you tried to ski the top of pike's peak. Elevation is relative to surrounding area. That's why vt even at a low elevation is so wind exposed.

+120% is "basically" close to what Jay claims?

I sure would love to get "basically" the same salary next year that I got this year.

 

[Snowlover]

+120% is "basically" close to what Jay claims?

I sure would love to get "basically" the same salary next year that I got this year.

375 vs 435 is not a big difference.(as the reality of the different area's are) I'd say wolf creek gets DOUBLE the snowfall of jay peak, forget 20% more. Just nitpicking at this point and you know it. 375 vs 435 is not 20% difference anyway

20% of 435= 87
348 would be 20% difference. So it's less than that CLAIMED

Didn't you just claim I was the ONLY person saying jay peak got 375 average? LMAO

 

[Tin]

In considering whether an individual has thought disorder, patterns of their speech are closely observed. Although it is normal to exhibit some of the following during times of extreme stress (e.g. a cataclysmic event or the middle of a war) it is the degree, frequency, and the resulting functional impairment that leads to the conclusion that the person being observed has a thought disorder.

• Alogia (also poverty of speech) – A poverty of speech, either in amount or content; it can occur as a negative symptom of schizophrenia.[SUP][1][/SUP]

• Blocking – An abrupt stop in the middle of a train of thought; the individual may or may not be able to continue the idea.[SUP][7][/SUP] This is a type of formal thought disorder that can be seen in schizophrenia.[SUP][1][/SUP]

• Circumstantiality (also circumstantial thinking, or circumstantial speech) – An inability to answer a question without giving excessive, unnecessary detail.[SUP][7][/SUP] This differs from tangential thinking, in that the person does eventually return to the original point.

• Clanging or Clang association – Ideas that are related only by similar or rhyming sounds rather than actual meaning.[SUP][7][/SUP] This may be heard as excessive rhyming and/or alliteration. e.g. "Many moldy mushrooms merge out of the mildewy mud on Mondays." "I heard the bell. Well, hell, then I fell."

• Derailment (also loose association and knight's move thinking) – Ideas slip off the topic's track on to another which is obliquely related or unrelated.[SUP][7][/SUP] e.g. "The next day when I'd be going out you know, I took control, like uh, I put bleach on my hair in California."

• Distractible speech – During mid speech, the subject is changed in response to a stimulus. e.g. "Then I left San Francisco and moved to... where did you get that tie?"

• Echolalia – Echoing of another's speech that may only be committed once, or may be continuous in repetition. This may involve repeating only the last few words or last word of the examiner's sentences. This can be a symptom of Tourette's Syndrome. e.g. "What would you like for dinner?", "That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question."

• Evasive interaction – Attempts to express ideas and/or feelings about another individual come out as evasive or in a diluted form, e.g.: "I... er ah... you are uh... I think you have... uh-- acceptable erm... uh... hair."

• Flight of ideas – Excessive speech at a rapid rate that involves fragmented or unrelated ideas. It is common in mania.

• Illogicality – Conclusions are reached that do not follow logically (non-sequiturs or faulty inferences). e.g. "Do you think this will fit in the box?" draws a reply like "Well duh; it's brown, isn't it?"

• Incoherence (word salad) – Speech that is unintelligible because, though the individual words are real words, the manner in which they are strung together results in incoherent gibberish, e.g. the question "Why do people comb their hair?" elicits a response like "Because it makes a twirl in life, my box is broken help me blue elephant. Isn't lettuce brave? I like electrons, hello please!"
• Loss of goal – Failure to follow a train of thought to a natural conclusion. e.g. "Why does my computer keep crashing?", "Well, you live in a stucco house, so the pair of scissors needs to be in another drawer."

• Neologisms – New word formations.These may also involve elisions of two words that are similar in meaning or in sound. e.g. "I got so angry I picked up a dish and threw it at the geshinker."

• Perseveration – Persistent repetition of words or ideas even when another person attempts to change the topic.e.g. "It's great to be here in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada." This may also involve repeatedly giving the same answer to different questions. e.g. "Is your name Mary?" "Yes." "Are you in the hospital?" "Yes." "Are you a table?" "Yes." Perseveration can include palilalia and logoclonia, and can be an indication of organic brain disease such as Parkinson's.

• Phonemic paraphasia – Mispronunciation; syllables out of sequence. e.g. "I slipped on the lice and broke my arm."

• Pressure of speech – Unrelenting, rapid speech without pauses.It may be difficult to interrupt the speaker, and the speaker may continue speaking even when a direct question is asked.

• Self-reference – Patient repeatedly and inappropriately refers back to self. e.g. "What's the time?", "It's 7 o'clock. That's my problem."

• Semantic paraphasia – Substitution of inappropriate word. e.g. "I slipped on the coat, on the ice I mean, and broke my book."

• Stilted speech – Speech characterized by the use of words or phrases that are flowery, excessive, and pompous. e.g. "The attorney comported himself indecorously."

• Tangentiality – Wandering from the topic and never returning to it or providing the information requested. e.g. in answer to the question "Where are you from?", a response "My dog is from England. They have good fish and chips there. Fish breathe through gills."

 

[Gilligan]

Snowlover, first let me say that I am a big fan of your work. Second, I have a question. You keep mentioning mountains like Jay and Stowe. How do you feel about Killington? They claim to get 250" of snow on average, yet they sure seem to have to rely a lot on snowmaking. Do you believe their 250" a year claim?

 

[Euler]

In considering whether an individual has thought disorder, patterns of their speech are closely observed. Although it is normal to exhibit some of the following during times of extreme stress (e.g. a cataclysmic event or the middle of a war) it is the degree, frequency, and the resulting functional impairment that leads to the conclusion that the person being observed has a thought disorder.

• Alogia (also poverty of speech) – A poverty of speech, either in amount or content; it can occur as a negative symptom of schizophrenia.[SUP][1][/SUP]

• Blocking – An abrupt stop in the middle of a train of thought; the individual may or may not be able to continue the idea.[SUP][7][/SUP] This is a type of formal thought disorder that can be seen in schizophrenia.[SUP][1][/SUP]

• Circumstantiality (also circumstantial thinking, or circumstantial speech) – An inability to answer a question without giving excessive, unnecessary detail.[SUP][7][/SUP] This differs from tangential thinking, in that the person does eventually return to the original point.

• Clanging or Clang association – Ideas that are related only by similar or rhyming sounds rather than actual meaning.[SUP][7][/SUP] This may be heard as excessive rhyming and/or alliteration. e.g. "Many moldy mushrooms merge out of the mildewy mud on Mondays." "I heard the bell. Well, hell, then I fell."

• Derailment (also loose association and knight's move thinking) – Ideas slip off the topic's track on to another which is obliquely related or unrelated.[SUP][7][/SUP] e.g. "The next day when I'd be going out you know, I took control, like uh, I put bleach on my hair in California."

• Distractible speech – During mid speech, the subject is changed in response to a stimulus. e.g. "Then I left San Francisco and moved to... where did you get that tie?"

• Echolalia – Echoing of another's speech that may only be committed once, or may be continuous in repetition. This may involve repeating only the last few words or last word of the examiner's sentences. This can be a symptom of Tourette's Syndrome. e.g. "What would you like for dinner?", "That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question."

• Evasive interaction – Attempts to express ideas and/or feelings about another individual come out as evasive or in a diluted form, e.g.: "I... er ah... you are uh... I think you have... uh-- acceptable erm... uh... hair."

• Flight of ideas – Excessive speech at a rapid rate that involves fragmented or unrelated ideas. It is common in mania.

• Illogicality – Conclusions are reached that do not follow logically (non-sequiturs or faulty inferences). e.g. "Do you think this will fit in the box?" draws a reply like "Well duh; it's brown, isn't it?"

• Incoherence (word salad) – Speech that is unintelligible because, though the individual words are real words, the manner in which they are strung together results in incoherent gibberish, e.g. the question "Why do people comb their hair?" elicits a response like "Because it makes a twirl in life, my box is broken help me blue elephant. Isn't lettuce brave? I like electrons, hello please!"
• Loss of goal – Failure to follow a train of thought to a natural conclusion. e.g. "Why does my computer keep crashing?", "Well, you live in a stucco house, so the pair of scissors needs to be in another drawer."

• Neologisms – New word formations.These may also involve elisions of two words that are similar in meaning or in sound. e.g. "I got so angry I picked up a dish and threw it at the geshinker."

• Perseveration – Persistent repetition of words or ideas even when another person attempts to change the topic.e.g. "It's great to be here in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada." This may also involve repeatedly giving the same answer to different questions. e.g. "Is your name Mary?" "Yes." "Are you in the hospital?" "Yes." "Are you a table?" "Yes." Perseveration can include palilalia and logoclonia, and can be an indication of organic brain disease such as Parkinson's.

• Phonemic paraphasia – Mispronunciation; syllables out of sequence. e.g. "I slipped on the lice and broke my arm."

• Pressure of speech – Unrelenting, rapid speech without pauses.It may be difficult to interrupt the speaker, and the speaker may continue speaking even when a direct question is asked.

• Self-reference – Patient repeatedly and inappropriately refers back to self. e.g. "What's the time?", "It's 7 o'clock. That's my problem."

• Semantic paraphasia – Substitution of inappropriate word. e.g. "I slipped on the coat, on the ice I mean, and broke my book."

• Stilted speech – Speech characterized by the use of words or phrases that are flowery, excessive, and pompous. e.g. "The attorney comported himself indecorously."

• Tangentiality – Wandering from the topic and never returning to it or providing the information requested. e.g. in answer to the question "Where are you from?", a response "My dog is from England. They have good fish and chips there. Fish breathe through gills."

Diharrea trollalia...the troller spews bullsh@&$t without any seeming control of the fingers, mimicking the spasming of a rectal sphincter.

 

[dmw]

So maybe you're right. Congrats. Shouldn't you have something better to be doing, driving to Tug Hill perhaps?

 

[Boston Bulldog]

Uh Oh... Here we go again :sigh:

 

[SIKSKIER]

OK,the way I figure it ,21 feet of snow now leaves your beloved bump at 479 vertical.Are you serious?Who f-in cares about some little pimple on the map?There are many places in the world it snows more but so what if its on a little kiddie hill.Get over yourself and your little baby ski area.

 

[MadMadWorld]

Another mute point. Pow is tracked out out west at most area's in one day max. You're talking base depth, not amount of true pow days. And like I said I was comparing tug hill, which gets more thaws than northern vt anyway.

Many of us wish your points were mute.

 

[St. Bear]

375 vs 435 is not a big difference.(as the reality of the different area's are) I'd say wolf creek gets DOUBLE the snowfall of jay peak, forget 20% more. Just nitpicking at this point and you know it. 375 vs 435 is not 20% difference anyway

20% of 435= 87
348 would be 20% difference. So it's less than that CLAIMED

Didn't you just claim I was the ONLY person saying jay peak got 375 average? LMAO

Like most of your arguments, you have it wrong. 120% of Jay's claim of 375" (your argument) is 450". I was rounding off the top off my head, but it's actually closer to 118%. Either way, you claimed it was "basically double".

 

[gmcunni]

can anyone recommend a good motel near tug hill?