Cannon Lover's Thread

[jcw]

A warm spring day is the time I like profile.

You've missed out then. Profile over the last two weeks has had a near perfect surface.

 

[oldfartrider]

Certainly could’ve made for better skiing trails that way. Sugarloaf is considering cutting a similar ugly swath this summer by combining the old Whiffletree t-line and pole line trails. Trails that currently collect a ton of snow when the wind blows. Hoping they reconsider…

That is a very bad idea. Made me look at my Sugarloaf pictures and sure enough I recall that T line trail being very fun even though it's been at least 4 years since visiting the mountain.

 

[snoseek]

You've missed out then. Profile over the last two weeks has had a near perfect surface.

Well done then. I let my pass lapse this year but will be back next season for sure.

 

[bigbob]

Returned today and the snow surface was pretty dam good. And never a lift line, don't know if this was good for the bottom line. Lodge could use more seating upstairs. maybe another row of tables and some tables in the loft area? I don't know if fire codes occupancy limits would allow this.

 

[jcw]

Returned today and the snow surface was pretty dam good. And never a lift line, don't know if this was good for the bottom line. Lodge could use more seating upstairs. maybe another row of tables and some tables in the loft area? I don't know if fire codes occupancy limits would allow this.

It's been a good start to the week. A great experience is what we're after, first and foremost.

Re: Peabody, it's a known. Limited options right this moment that make a substantial difference. We're presently working on renovation plans for this and all other lodges.

 

[Duke61]

A warm spring day is the time I like profile. Im still mad they took out the tbars and cut that swath. Such a wasted opportunity imo.

That gash they call profile is disgusting, ugly terrible to ski, the loading area is a joke with no run-off, So I thought that trail was called, 'cannonball' back when we were supposed to burn our boots off? Let me guess it's now got 4-5 names, 'upper taft profile connector, upper cannonball, middle profile, lower profile and profile landing zone!! When I was a kid cannon had 37 trails, other than some glades not much has changed except now their are 90+ trails.....If they can do that magic how come we can't 3d print a new tram for cheap?

 

[Dezzy]

That gash they call profile is disgusting

I was with you only up to this part…I think you forgot they added an entire ski area which boosted the trail count! And I wish I had a trail map from when Profile was called Cannonball because some people have disagreed with me that it was named that for at least a season (before Mitty was merged, and a ski area shouldn’t have two trails named Cannonball far away from each other)

 

[LoafSkier19]

And I wish I had a trail map from when Profile was called Cannonball because some people have disagreed with me that it was named that for at least a season (before Mitty was merged, and a ski area shouldn’t have two trails named Cannonball far away from each other)

The good news is they are archived here:

Cannon Mountain ski maps

Explore 43 ski trail maps from 1941-2025 for Cannon Mountain in New Hampshire, United States.

skimap.org

Looks like 2009-2012 Profile was known as Cannonball

 

[Dezzy]

Nice, thanks, never had heard of that website! Middle Cannon By-pass? I don’t remember that at all…and glad I have some time on my hands to flip around thru this. Actually, one more thing from my old-timer memory that people have disagreed with me about…anyone remember you could buy a day ticket for a dollar or two cheaper that didn’t include theTram? (guessing it was mid-1970’s)

 

[Duke61]

I was with you only up to this part…I think you forgot they added an entire ski area which boosted the trail count! And I wish I had a trail map from when Profile was called Cannonball because some people have disagreed with me that it was named that for at least a season (before Mitty was merged, and a ski area shouldn’t have two trails named Cannonball far away from each other)

Mittersill was open for years until about 1990ish, they called the trails 'mittersill'....regardless their five trails don't add 60 trails.... where is 'upper gremlin'....management for a couple decades lied about trails, grooming and anything else because they couldn't keep up with Waterville and Loon.

 

[jcw]

I couldn't tell you a comprehensive story of when which trail was named or why it was broken down. I indeed know some, though not all.

That said, there are generally a few reasons (this is not all inclusive) an operator might delineate what the general public would consider one trail into a few.

- Statutory obligation. Here's NH's: 225-A:23, Section 3 (Ski Trails and Slopes)

- Risk management recommendation, from loss control team

- Clarity and efficiency for responders

- Memorial or special marketing purpose

 

[machski]

Mittersill was open for years until about 1990ish, they called the trails 'mittersill'....regardless their five trails don't add 60 trails.... where is 'upper gremlin'....management for a couple decades lied about trails, grooming and anything else because they couldn't keep up with Waterville and Loon.

I do believe Stowe holds the record for overnight trail count inflation in the East anyway.

 

[Duke61]

I couldn't tell you a comprehensive story of when which trail was named or why it was broken down. I indeed know some, though not all.

That said, there are generally a few reasons (this is not all inclusive) an operator might delineate what the general public would consider one trail into a few.

- Statutory obligation. Here's NH's: 225-A:23, Section 3 (Ski Trails and Slopes)

- Risk management recommendation, from loss control team

- Clarity and efficiency for responders

- Memorial or special marketing purpose

 

[ceo]

Mittersill was open for years until about 1990ish, they called the trails 'mittersill'....regardless their five trails don't add 60 trails.... where is 'upper gremlin'....management for a couple decades lied about trails, grooming and anything else because they couldn't keep up with Waterville and Loon.

Huh? Mittersill was an independent ski area that closed in 1984, and after that it was an unofficial "backcountry" area. Its trails weren't added to Cannon's trail count until it was incorporated into Cannon in 2009. Looking at old Mittersill maps, it looks like a lot of its trails didn't have names (kind of like the Banshee slopes, which only got names sometime in the 90s).
In terms of trail count inflation, the only potential examples I see, looking at current and previous trail maps, are:

• Renaming Middle/Lower Cannon between the end of Spookie and the top of Zoomer "Rock Garden", which is a terrible name for a ski trail (then again, Cannon also has "Global Warming Glade"). Originally, the divide was where the exit from the former Hong Kong lift joined.
• Renaming the lower part of Big Link to Missing Link, though that does make more sense.
• Short Fuse, although that does enable giving Lower Hardscrabble from the bottom of Cannonball a more accurate blue rating and lets you close the former but not the latter, and you probably couldn't have named it "Upper Lower Hardscrabble".
• Making Goat Path a trail again, that one disappeared from the map after Peabody Express went in and Middle Cannon was widened, and returned in 2014 even more useless than before. (I vaguely recall that the name "Rock Garden" originally applied, perhaps unofficially, to the far end of Goat Path.)
• Maybe Blue Ball, which got that name in 2008, being previously part of Lower Hardscrabble's runout.
• Oh, and I'll add MH Cut-Thru, another terrible name, which should have been just a continuation of Middle Hardscrabble. Does anyone even still use the original exit that you had to climb out of? (Which was there so you could get back to the tram before the Peabody Slopes were cut, and then took them 52 years to fix.)

I'm not counting giving names to previously unnamed trails (Lakeside, Banshee, Jasper's Hideaway, most of Mittersill) or making former liftlines into trails (Chute, Parkway, Profile, Banshee Liftline). And there's cases to be made for or against several short connectors that got names (David's Detour, Zoomalanche, Stinky St). (Wonder if Stinky St was named after a deceased Tramway base lodge cat, as were Spookie, Gremlin and Jasper's Hideaway.) Everything else that's increased the trail count is new trails or glades. Also, there is no "Upper Gremlin", although there could easily have been; Gremlin was extended up the Peabody Express liftline when that lift went in.

 

[ceo]

Nice, thanks, never had heard of that website! Middle Cannon By-pass? I don’t remember that at all…and glad I have some time on my hands to flip around thru this. Actually, one more thing from my old-timer memory that people have disagreed with me about…anyone remember you could buy a day ticket for a dollar or two cheaper that didn’t include theTram? (guessing it was mid-1970’s)

Yes. When the "new" tram was built in 1981, for several years you had to pay $3 (IIRC) extra for a tram ticket, which was just a little sticker that went on your lift ticket. Before that, kids couldn't ride the old tram on most weekends or vacation weeks, which being a kid at the time pissed me off no end.

 

[doublediamond]

Every ski area inflated trail counts. In part it’s marketing: look how much we have open. It can be funny when some areas claim 8 trails open when it’s one route.

However the bigger reason for splitting trails up is to aid in rescue of injured folks as shorter segments mean there’s a smaller area to seach for the injured skier. This is also why areas have begun to number snowmaking hydrants and a call them saying “skier down at XYZ trail snowmaking hydrants 23”.

Of all things to bitch about, trail count isn’t one of them, especially when it’s been done across the entirety of the industry.

 

[ceo]

However the bigger reason for splitting trails up is to aid in rescue of injured folks as shorter segments mean there’s a smaller area to seach for the injured skier. This is also why areas have begun to number snowmaking hydrants and a call them saying “skier down at XYZ trail snowmaking hydrants 23”.

That reminds me, I think Cannon used to have numbered markers attached to trees at intervals along the trails for this purpose. Of course, this was when you had to ski down to a lift to report an injury.

 

[thebigo]

That reminds me, I think Cannon used to have numbered markers attached to trees at intervals along the trails for this purpose. Of course, this was when you had to ski down to a lift to report an injury.

take a look next time you are on garys, some of the numbers are still there. one of the FSC coaches was giving the kids a history lesson a few days back.

 

[Zap71]

take a look next time you are on garys, some of the numbers are still there. one of the FSC coaches was giving the kids a history lesson a few days back.

Every ski area inflated trail counts. In part it’s marketing: look how much we have open. It can be funny when some areas claim 8 trails open when it’s one route.

However the bigger reason for splitting trails up is to aid in rescue of injured folks as shorter segments mean there’s a smaller area to seach for the injured skier. This is also why areas have begun to number snowmaking hydrants and a call them saying “skier down at XYZ trail snowmaking hydrants 23”.

Of all things to bitch about, trail count isn’t one of them, especially when it’s been done across the entirety of the industry.

Trail counts increase and snowmaking trail counts decrease and has not occurred on quite a few in the last 5+- years or since electricity costs have gone up,pipes broken or just real bad snow years requiring a lot of resurfacing of main routes.

Moose Alley last 5 + years only recall snow made first few years Tucker brook quad went in
Banshee, Banshee cut through ride around etc. Jaspers ? just this year with no tram, lot of area at bottom of Banshee / Avalanche Tram cutback over to the tram base
Paulies several years now
Skylight
Bypass most years always turns into a ice sheet anyway no matter how much snow is made on it
Short Fuse
Lower hardscrable
Turnpike Upper and Lower
Blue Ball
Wonder how many acres this is ?
Got to be real this has been a great year,they have all skied great,but one melt down and most could be gone very quickly.
But to be fair Lower Flietman has been added more recently.

 

[Puck it]

Trail counts increase and snowmaking trail counts decrease and has not occurred on quite a few in the last 5+- years or since electricity costs have gone up,pipes broken or just real bad snow years requiring a lot of resurfacing of main routes.

Moose Alley last 5 + years only recall snow made first few years Tucker brook quad went in
Banshee, Banshee cut through ride around etc. Jaspers ? just this year with no tram, lot of area at bottom of Banshee / Avalanche Tram cutback over to the tram base
Paulies several years now
Skylight
Bypass most years always turns into a ice sheet anyway no matter how much snow is made on it
Short Fuse
Lower hardscrable
Turnpike Upper and Lower
Blue Ball
Wonder how many acres this is ?
Got to be real this has been a great year,they have all skied great,but one melt down and most could be gone very quickly.
But to be fair Lower Flietman has been added more recently.

Groom the natty trails, it will get thru a couple warm spells. Jace?