Receipt Checks in Stores

[ckofer]

Read this:

http://www.sun-herald.com/breakingnews.cfm?id=5379

You can thank these guys for the harsher measures.

 

[MichaelJ]

he five suspects were arrested, with each being charged with grand retail theft and three counts of possession of shopping carts.

Possession of shopping carts is its own crime? It's not covered under basic "theft" laws?

 

[Dr Skimeister]

Correct. I didn't make myself clear. If they stop you for refusing to show a receipt then they are detaining you.



Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong. My immediate relationship with the store does end when I pay for the goods. They have no right to DETAIN me from leaving their property unless they have SEEN me try to steal something. This is the law.

As far as me shopping elsewhere....Bullcrap. I'll shop where the hell I want and exercise my rights while I'm doing it. That line just irks me. If you allow your rights to be eroded fine, but not me though. This crap never would have flown 20 years ago. Beware of complacency, my friend.

*applause*

 

[drjeff]

Possession of shopping carts is its own crime? It's not covered under basic "theft" laws?

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And I've heard that at 3AM on hilly college campuses while walking back from certain establishments where they sell fermented beverages, that a shopping cart just might make a decent rendition of a bobsled. Of course that's just third hand information and I don't have any personal experiences with that

 

[Warp Daddy]

Just sayin : Unfortunately WE GET What we Tolerate !

That's true on many levels, be it corporate greedhogs, political sleazeballs or multi-national orgs who 's only interst is profit not community or national betterment.

Whenever or whatever we accept without questioning results in being anesthesized into any change and a slow but steady erosion of our rights

 

[andyzee]

Just sayin : Unfortunately WE GET What we Tolerate !

That's true on many levels, be it corporate greedhogs, political sleazeballs or multi-national orgs who 's only interst is profit not community or national betterment.

Whenever or whatever we accept without questioning results in being anesthesized into any change and a slow but steady erosion of our rights

Now now, Greg doesn't want to hear the slippery slope argument Sorry Greg, but that is the argument and it's a good one at that. Well said Warp Daddy!

 

[Warp Daddy]

Thank you ZEE Man

 

[ckofer]

A) I'm having a little fun pushing buttons here.

B) Corporations are not the enemy, corrupt people are- all the way from the common shoplifter to corporate board members

C) Another consideration on the receipt checking: maybe it's the employees they don't trust either. Let's say you have a "pal" at the checkout who "forgets" to scan one of your expensive items yet it makes it into your cart. The receipt checking policy probably enhances your pal's memory pretty well. From what I have read, a large percentage of retail theft has an employee aspect to it.

D) Theft deterance is important. Sam's Club according to this report functions at about an 11% margin.

In other words, every $1000 of merchandise stolen must be balanced with about $10,000 in sales to break even. I can't run my small business on those margins. They count on getting paid for every item possible and loyal repeat customers in order to provide good pricing.

As I posted before, if you don't like their policies, shop elsewhere. I have nothing to fear when the person reconciles my cart against my receipt.

E) There seems to be a popular tone of entitlement when it comes to discussing the big stores as if they have and unsettled debt to society and somehow shoplifting is somewhat excused. I will admit I get a little annoyed at the delay after the checkout but that has much more to do with trying to do too much in one day than anything else.

F) I'm not even close to corporate material but I do own a business and sympathize with protecting the assets of any size business. A person getting caught stealing from me or my business would be lucky if the cops get there before I do.

 

[SkiDork]

actually the thing about stores like Home Depot that bugs me much more than receipt checking is not being able to find sales help, and having to hunt all over the place to find something when a sales person would have been able to locate it immediately.

 

[Greg]

Now now, Greg doesn't want to hear the slippery slope argument Sorry Greg, but that is the argument and it's a good one at that. Well said Warp Daddy!

Well, then continue to call me a lemming then I guess. I just really don't feel like being "that guy" who storms out of the store with a sense of entitlement and can't wait the few seconds or minutes. Drawing a parallel that this is ultimately going to lead to some tyrannical government is a stretch. Let's keep it in perspective.

All you former hippies need to let it go...

 

[ckofer]

actually the thing about stores like Home Depot that bugs me much more than receipt checking is not being able to find sales help, and having to hunt all over the place to find something when a sales person would have been able to locate it immediately.

That is the gamble they take. There is a Home Depot that got built in the same plaza in Rochester NH as an established much smaller lumber store that has more knowledgable staff. Everybody thought they would die in the shadow of the big store right away. It's been years and hasn't happened yet. Service still counts.

 

[andyzee]

Well, then continue to call me a lemming then I guess. I just really don't feel like being "that guy" who storms out of the store with a sense of entitlement and can't wait the few seconds or minutes. Drawing a parallel that this is ultimately going to lead to some tyrannical government is a stretch. Let's keep it in perspective.

All you former hippies need to let it go...

I am trying to keep it in perspective. You former yuppies don't have a clue. :lol:

 

[BeanoNYC]

I just really don't feel like being "that guy" who storms out of the store with a sense of entitlement and can't wait the few seconds or minutes.

I'm not comfortable with the tone of this statement. It is not a "sense" of entitlement, it is entitlement. In the U.S. we are entitled to certain rights protected by law. This is one. I don't storm out in a huff, I simply walk out. If I am asked for a receipt I politely say "no thanks" and keep on walking.

Drawing a parallel that this is ultimately going to lead to some tyrannical government is a stretch. Let's keep it in perspective.

When I hear things like this, I think of the "boiled frog syndrome." If you throw a put a frog in a pot of boiling water he will immediately feel the discomfort and jump out. If you put him in a pot of cool water and gradually raise the temperature he will not sense danger until he's cooked.

All you former hippies need to let it go...

I'm more of a wanna be hippie.

 

[Greg]

When I hear things like this, I think of the "boiled frog syndrome." If you throw a put a frog in a pot of boiling water he will immediately feel the discomfort and jump out. If you put him in a pot of cool water and gradually raise the temperature he will not sense danger until he's cooked.

We're talking about receipt checking. Do you honestly believe there is some underlying conspiracy that the government is checking our tolerance for these kinds of things or something? Maybe I'm just naive and stupid and perhaps in 25 years I'll have to eat my words as we live under some dictatorship due in part because I patronized BJ's and waited in the receipt checking line. :roll: I still think there's a bit of Chicken Little going on here.

 

[Warp Daddy]

Former hippies that's rich -- lmao but furthest thing from realty . I was married with 2 kids, a mortgage and was a college professor when the Woodstock nation thingy happened. But still always questioned damn near everything .

Ps----------- BUT later on I did the shoulder length long hair thing tho .

 

[andyzee]

We're talking about receipt checking. Do you honestly believe there is some underlying conspiracy that the government is checking our tolerance for these kinds of things or something? Maybe I'm just naive and stupid and perhaps in 25 years I'll have to eat my words as we live under some dictatorship due in part because I patronized BJ's and waited in the receipt checking line. :roll: I still think there's a bit of Chicken Little going on here.

I someone asks for a reciept, I have no problem showing it. May not like it, but i'll show it. Where I draw the line is waiting in line to show a reciept, doesn't happen often, but it happens. I wait, God know how long to pay for an item and then they expect me to wait again to prove I paid for it, don't think so. They have alarms systems for this.

 

[Greg]

I wait, God know how long to pay for an item and then they expect me to wait again to prove I paid for it, don't think so.

Don't shop at BJ's at 11 am on a Saturday then...

 

[BeanoNYC]

We're talking about receipt checking. Do you honestly believe there is some underlying conspiracy that the government is checking our tolerance for these kinds of things or something? Maybe I'm just naive and stupid and perhaps in 25 years I'll have to eat my words as we live under some dictatorship due in part because I patronized BJ's and waited in the receipt checking line. :roll: I still think there's a bit of Chicken Little going on here.

Again...BJ's doesn't count as I agreed to receipt checks to become a member. Much like I agreed to AlpineZone's terms to become a member. That being said, I don't think it's a governmental conspiracy to check receipts, but I'm quite wary of complacency.

Now if a store doesn't want to let me in unless I agree to a receipt check, or make me check my bags before entering that's fine. What's the common theme here? I'm being told of these conditions prior to my entry into the store. If you refuse to show a receipt when leaving the store and they detain you for it, and you never agreed to such a policy prior to entering the store, that's another story.

We're just going to go round and round here, Greg. It is what it is. I'll continue to refuse to show my receipt, you'll show your receipt. It doesn't matter. I'll still ski and drink with you either way.

 

[BeanoNYC]

Don't shop at BJ's at 11 am on a Saturday then...

That BJ's in Wallingford. That line is a pussycat compared to the one in Brooklyn.

 

[Greg]

I'll still ski and drink with you either way.

Forget man. No way!