HELP!?!?! I want a pair of twintip tree skis.

[ta&idaho]

I've played around a little bit with skis with minor rocker/early tip rise, and I think some of the 95-100mm models that are starting to gain popularity would make outstanding Eastern tree skis. If you're carving on hard snow through Eastern trees, I'd be more concerned with your choice in helmet than your choice in ski.

And, rereading the original post, if you're looking for the maneuverability of shorter skis with the float of longer/wider skis, I think you've pretty much walked into the marketing pitch for this class of ski: some tip rocker +more traditional camber and sidecut underfoot = 2 skis in one (large surface area in softer snow, short running length on harder snow).

 

[RootDKJ]

O2gearshop.com has the 08/09 Extreme for $250.

 

[gmcunni]

O2gearshop.com has the 08/09 Extreme for $250.

ouch - O2 might lighten my wallet.....

2009 FISCHER WATEA 101 SKI / $249

 

[Hawkshot99]

O2gearshop.com has the 08/09 Extreme for $250.

The Extreme has never changed it's construction since its release. Only the graphics have changed.

 

[RootDKJ]

ouch - O2 might lighten my wallet.....

2009 FISCHER WATEA 101 SKI / $249

Hahaha...they lightened my wallet by $430 on new boots, then they dropped the price another $30 and gave that back to me. Great service and prompt shipping.

 

[goldsbar]

I demoed the Dynastar Sultan 85 in a 172 length and loved that ski in all conditions and all speeds and it would do fantastic short, medium and long radius turns. It was so easy to turn. NOW I find out the Sultan 85 might have a modified reverse camber (rocker) tip. I had no idea the Sultan was a bit of a rocker ski.

I got the Sultan 85's in a 172 recently as well (1 ski day). As you say, it's a "bit" of a rocker. Not even really a rocker. Heard it called more of a raised tip or something like that. When you put the skis together, they certainly don't look rockered.

I'd be curious to try a rockered ski but have no interest in owning one unless I somehow wind up out West living at the slope of Jackson Hole. Lottery? I have heard a little bit of rocker can still carve well on the groomers though I don't see how as you're not getting full tip engagement. Then again, I consider 85's really wide which is definetely not a sentiment shared by many others. Maybe it's because it doesn't take much to float my 145 lbs.

 

[skiadikt]

currently i'm skiing the salomon guns as my full-time ski. 90 mm waist. excellent tree ski. floats well but is quick turning with suprisingly good edge hold on all but the iciest conditions. unfortunately salomon discontinued the ski 2 years ago. demoed both the salomon lord & czar. the lord is slightly rockered & the czar more so. i preferred the czar and was again surprised by how quick and how much edge it had despite the 111mm waist. excellent ski for pow & trees. thought the lord handled more like a traditional ski (as opposed to the gun or czar). ski rips and has excellent edge hold unfortunately the day i demoed wasn't a good tree day. if a 111 mmm waist is too much ski then the lord is an excellent alternative. for me at his point, fatter is better so once the salary cap allows, i'll be getting a pair of czars.

Salomon Lord
Ski Dimension: 128-87-115mm
Waist Width: 87mm
Sidecut/Radius: 17.4m @ 177cm

Salomon Czar
Ski Dimension: 131-111-121mm
Waist Width: 111mm
Sidecut/Radius: 40.0m @ 174cm

 

[Newpylong]

Dynastar Troublemakers! Aren't they called Big Trouble now?

 

[kingslug]

I got the Sultan 85's in a 172 recently as well (1 ski day). As you say, it's a "bit" of a rocker. Not even really a rocker. Heard it called more of a raised tip or something like that. When you put the skis together, they certainly don't look rockered.

I'd be curious to try a rockered ski but have no interest in owning one unless I somehow wind up out West living at the slope of Jackson Hole. Lottery? I have heard a little bit of rocker can still carve well on the groomers though I don't see how as you're not getting full tip engagement. Then again, I consider 85's really wide which is definetely not a sentiment shared by many others. Maybe it's because it doesn't take much to float my 145 lbs.

The Rossignol S3 uses reverse sidecut on the tip and tails to help them engage when carving. Believe me they can carve...just not like a regular ski. The best part about skis like this is they let you float over anything in their path. While going through very deep snow at Plattekill I was able to...not get stuck as a few of our troup did. With both ends rockered I was able to get out of tight situations either foreward or backward...yeah I suck in tight trees and this was the first time I could navigate through them. In powder and bumps they are a blast..if I don't want to carve around a bump..I just float over it. The only way to know if you will like them is to try them..here..not out west. I'm using them here as much as I can.

 

[Edd]

Another vote for the K2 PE. I'm on my 3rd or 4th season with them and this year I like them more than ever. Truly awesome in the slush. At first I didn't care for the powder performance but this year I changed my opinion while riding the trees at Heavenly. They float great for an 85mm ski.

 

[Edd]

i wanted somthing a little fatter underfoot. My Sollys are 87. I was thinkin 95 or better.

Are you sure those are Tornados you're skiing? I think the waist on those is in the 70s.

 

[bobbutts]

K2 Extreme? It's the newer version of the Public Enemy IIRC. I want to say it's about 84mm underfoot. Seems like it would be a decent all mountain ski.

I have PE's from a few years ago and I think they are a decent all mtn ski. Surprisingly good in the bumps, can carve an OK turn on the groomed as long as you're not expecting a race ski, pow float is ok. They do chatter at higher speeds, not their forte.

 

[Glenn]

I've grabbed my twin tips a lot this year. I ski on an older pair of Dynastar Nothing But Troubles. I've got them mounted a bit forward. I'm not talking park rat centered, just a bit more forward vs a traditional mount. I find this mount makes the ski really turny, but I can still crank out some high speed GS turns. They're a surprisingly versatile ski. I had originally bought them for goofing around in the park and just some basic all mountain skiing. But I find they do pretty well just about anywhere. I'll still use my Hot Rods when it's snowing or just ripping the groomers and or scratchy groomers at high speed.