dlague
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If you ski from Vista Peak to Timberline Lodge (which you can do) - it is more than 1000 ft vertical - more like 1600'. There is a long run out, of course.
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10 under radar east coast mountains (another list)
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If you ski from Vista Peak to Timberline Lodge (which you can do) - it is more than 1000 ft vertical - more like 1600'. There is a long run out, of course.
BenedictGomez
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Yes, that's exactly why it isn't counted in the trued-up vertical.
dlague
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So people who ski that do not mind skiing run outs do not count. That run out still drops from 2300 ft in elevation to 1565 on the Timber Line Run.
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Not this argument again!
Sounds like example 2 or 3: http://mountainvertical.com/true-up-vertical.html
There was a really ugly thread a few years ago with people trying to rip Mountainvertical.com a new one. Why, I don't know, as most of the arguments against the site were absolutely ridiculous. They never claimed to be perfect, and the explanations on the page that I linked make perfect sense. In fact MV is my go-to source. Lots of information, and incredible functionality.
tl:dr - No, a solitary trail does not justify artificially pumping up vertical stats. It is atypical of the average skiers' experience.
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MadMadWorld
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It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If you can ski from top to bottom without taking a lift or remove skis then the mountains are free to market the vert. At the same time, they should expect large amounts of ridicule from folks like us.
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Perfect!
dlague
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Whatever - who am I to question Mountain Vertical? I can not imagine having my own opinion! There is not a single resort out there that would use Mountain Vertical's numbers - why would they! That would be like Jay Peak saying - nah we really do not have the highest snowfall - Bolton Valley does.
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Because if you read the link, they make an extremely compelling case for their numbers. Again, they never claimed to be perfect, only to give the most meaningful stats. I know that I appreciate it. I would be pissed if I relied on cheesy inflated stats only to find that I had effectively been duped. What about their methods do you take issue with?
Ski those lines all you want. More power to you. This isn't about you, it's about transparent attempts to artificially pump stats.
"There is not a single resort out there that would use Mountain Vertical's numbers - why would they!"
Exactly, why would they come clean when they benefit from obfuscating the truth?
BTW, because you mention Jay Peak, they are used as a positive example of legit vertical stats.
BenedictGomez
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Count whatever you wish, to each their own. If you want to count long run-outs and lengthy gently dropping beginner terrain to boost vert, that's up to you. Ski from the top of Killington all the way to Portsmouth, NH to really rack up the vert if you wish. I appreciate the job MV does to basically "expose" those who do that (and other reindeer vertical games).
You are perfectly entitled to your own opinion. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.
The truth is, plenty of resorts artificially boost their vertical with long runouts or a ridiculously circuitious "rat in a maze" path that nobody reasonably skis (in addition to other vert tricks). I think Mountain Vertical is awesome (that's my opinion).
Pretty much.
I skied Bolton years ago in 2 ft of fresh powder and had a blast. The woods there are amazing!! We were staying at Sugarbush which had lots of wind holds and didn't get a flake of snow. I didn't care at all about Bolton's vertical or lack of HS quads that day.
MadMadWorld
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Do any of us really make the decision to ski somewhere based on true vert?
dlague
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I get what Mountain Vertical is trying to say. Never really looked at resorts/mountain based on vertical in any case. I also am not a fan of that runout - I was just pointing it out. Peace.
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Harvey
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What ski areas lists vertical that you'd ever ski? Who skis below midstation at Whiteface the vert king?
Those vert arguments... does anyone really expect a MARKETING department to use a measure of vert that puts them at a disadvantage to the system used by every other ski area? I wonder if you put the "real vertical" on all the printed materials how long you'd last?
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MadMadWorld
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I think mountains out west are even worse. Some mountains count vertical from "hike to" terrain.
dlague
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BenedictGomez
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Us?
Probably not, no.
Many people?
Clearly; or some places wouldn't go to the absurd lengths they do to deceptively pump up their vert.
dlague
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Well now that everything is settled. Apparently, Sugarbush is the palce to be for the Vert whores. However, Sugarbush is the quiet diamond in the rough. Does not get the love or hate that Killington, Jay Peak, Stowe, Sunday River, Okemo, or even Mount Snow get. Apparently - people are not really giving two shits about Vert and it really is about terrain at least in the East.
Another under the radar is Bromley.
Another under the radar is Bromley.
BenedictGomez
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Sugarbush is way up there for sure, but I'd go with Whiteface. When you're standing at the top of Whiteface, it really FEELS like you're much higher up than the big Vermont ski areas, and it's a LONG run back down to the lodge. I'm thinking it's gotta' be the highest lift departure in the east, though I'm sure some of our resident "lift lovers" could either verify or shoot that guess down quickly. But there's definitely a "wow factor" when you get off the gondala or off of Little Whiteface, which already feels approximately like the top a large Vermont resort, and then you look way up at the summit.
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joshua segal
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BTW. I noticed no one posted the original list. It is:
10. Big Squaw
9. Camden
8. Saddleback
7. Wildcat
6. Cannon
5. Pat's
4. Cochran's
3. Bromley
2. Magic
1. Bolton
It's a very weird list in that includes everything from resorts to places that are barely ski areas.
10. Big Squaw
9. Camden
8. Saddleback
7. Wildcat
6. Cannon
5. Pat's
4. Cochran's
3. Bromley
2. Magic
1. Bolton
It's a very weird list in that includes everything from resorts to places that are barely ski areas.
Abubob
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Yeah, Cannon's not under the radar. It's just that most of the gaper's end up either at Loon or Bretten Woods. It's ON their radar so they avoid it. It's Cannon's "bad" hardcore reputation that I thought they were trying to soften by restarting Mittersill.
