$1M for Mittersill "improvement project"

[Puck it]

"In one instance, explosives have been used on a trail between Skyline and the liftline, leaving large granite blocks and charge wires on the Mittersill-Cannon Hiking Trail.

In another instance, large machinery ascended the historic Taft Trail above the top of the double chairlift and apparently got stuck, leaving three foot deep ruts in its wake "

This is old info and nothing to do with Barons. Threecey claimed these things years ago when they put the lift in. This is not related to the most recent trail cutting. Not even same part of the hill.

The blasting in the previous he was referring to was up in the saddle. This off of skyline. It is the trail that connect soviet to the lifeline by the section that gets really scraped off. I think..

 

[Cannonball]

The blasting in the previous he was referring to was up in the saddle. This off of skyline. It is the trail that connect soviet to the lifeline by the section that gets really scraped off. I think..

Damn you autocorrect...I have no idea what you were going for. Soviet? Lifeline? A little help here Scotty?

 

[Puck it]

Damn you autocorrect...I have no idea what you were going for. Soviet? Lifeline? A little help here Scotty?

WTF was that.

 

[Puck it]

The blasting in the previous discussion by threecy was up in the saddle. This is off of skyline. It is the trail that connects to the liftline by the section that gets really scraped off. I think..

Fixed it

 

[Puck it]

. Specifically at mittersill, i dont agree that: widening, grading, seeding, grooming, adding snowmaking, etc can be considered "all natural".

Thats not what was stated.The remaining terrain will be left all natural.

That is not what he meant I think

When was added they said it would remain natural
when the lift when it would remain natural
when Baron's is widened it will be natural
Etc etc etc


the natural part is getting smaller by the year.

 

[skiberg]

The whole natural thing is kind of a joke. Mittersil has never been natural. It's always been a ski area, albeit a bit overgrown for a few years. It's not like big Jay or burnt Mtn. Or even pony or saddle Sore. It was and is a ski area. What makes it so unique is that it was a ski area so it has vague remaining lines that are different and unique from other skiing experiences. It is precisely the fact that it is not completely natural, yet not completely a full blown ski area that makes it so appealing. It's the ski area that time forgot.

 

[SIKSKIER]

Specifically at mittersill, i dont agree that: widening, grading, seeding, grooming, adding snowmaking, etc can be considered "all natural".

Thats not what was stated.The remaining terrain will be left all natural

 

[SIKSKIER]

I've always been torn with reopening of Mittersill cuz of its unique situation.I must say though its kind of hard to understand the hate towards reopening a lost ski area.When ever it has been done its been highly praised.When ever one closes its like a wake.The oppostion to reopening Mittersill has always kind of surprized me.

 

[Smellytele]

I've always been torn with reopening of Mittersill cuz of its unique situation.I must say though its kind of hard to understand the hate towards reopening a lost ski area.When ever it has been done its been highly praised.When ever one closes its like a wake.The oppostion to reopening Mittersill has always kind of surprized me.

It comes down to people could still ski it without the lift without much effort. Most people on here never skied it when it was originally opened including myself. People are resistant to change.

 

[skiberg]

I agree. People act like they are skiing in the Pemi. Wilderness. The only reason mittersil is unique is because it was a ski area. Otherwise it would be like skiing gunsight. If it was truly natural we prob would have cut glades there by now, but it would be nowhere near as open.

 

[bobbutts]

I've always been torn with reopening of Mittersill cuz of its unique situation.I must say though its kind of hard to understand the hate towards reopening a lost ski area.When ever it has been done its been highly praised.When ever one closes its like a wake.The oppostion to reopening Mittersill has always kind of surprized me.

Major reason is that it was lift serviced and well used with a short walk before. It wasn't as lost as the standalone lost areas where only a handful of people or less ski per season. The lift made it more convenient which means it gets skied out faster. Now they're going to make it into a more traditional area and are in the process of flattening and clearing and adding snowmaking to some classic terrain. I feel like if it was going to become just another pod, they should have gone with a high speed lift. I'm also befuddled why there's no lift service from the bottom of the hill where all the lodging is.

 

[skiberg]

If you think it gets skied out fast now, add a HSQ you might get 1 hr. of good skiing on a powder day.

 

[Puck it]

If it was truly natural we prob would have cut glades there by now, but it would be nowhere near as open.

Huh. There are plenty of cut glades over there. Birches and off Candyland to name a couple.

 

[deadheadskier]

So, if Cannon regulars had a choice of going back to the old ways of Mittersill now would you? I only ski there every other year or so, so my opinion matters little. However, if Cannon was my home hill, I think I'd prefer if it was back the way it was prior to the lift install.

And that opinion has nothing to do with the financials regarding the inflated cost of an underutilized lift. As it looks right now, this whole process seems like it was something designed specifically to benefit a ski race club as opposed to the slack country skiing benefit it was sold as in the beginning. Yes, the lift is cool and accesses some great natural terrain and eliminates hiking. So, there is that benefit. However, it would appear the plan all along was to add a ski racing facility. Great for them, but losing Barons as it was isn't worth it IMO.

Hopefully the Beavers get to work and reclaim new all natural terrain to replace that which was lost to the race club.

 

[skiberg]

I understand there are glade now, what I am saying is that even if it were never developed 50 years ago glades undoubtedly would have been cut. Then it would be natural skiing environment.

I prefer it as lift accessed. Still plenty to ski that is not lift accessed. However, in a perfect world I would take it like it was 20 years ago. It was more unknown and much less skied. Snow held for days, not hours.

 

[bobbutts]

If you think it gets skied out fast now, add a HSQ you might get 1 hr. of good skiing on a powder day.

I'm talking about when we have a 90m wide trail (295 feet) and snowmaking and grooming. That's wider than Double Dipper at Killington. I did some google earth measuring and it would be wider than anything at cannon right now. The front 5 are at most 250' width to give you some comparison.

 

[4aprice]

So, if Cannon regulars had a choice of going back to the old ways of Mittersill now would you? I only ski there every other year or so, so my opinion matters little. However, if Cannon was my home hill, I think I'd prefer if it was back the way it was prior to the lift install.

And that opinion has nothing to do with the financials regarding the inflated cost of an underutilized lift. As it looks right now, this whole process seems like it was something designed specifically to benefit a ski race club as opposed to the slack country skiing benefit it was sold as in the beginning. Yes, the lift is cool and accesses some great natural terrain and eliminates hiking. So, there is that benefit. However, it would appear the plan all along was to add a ski racing facility. Great for them, but losing Barons as it was isn't worth it IMO.

Hopefully the Beavers get to work and reclaim new all natural terrain to replace that which was lost to the race club.

Isn't the "official" state sport of New Hampshire skiing? Skiing includes racing. New Hampshire I am sure would like to host some events and being the one state owned mountain it makes sense to have it there. Yes you going to lose some side (back, whatever) country, but as others have said I'm sure new stashes will "crop" up and it seems to me that there is still a lot of fun stuff up there that remains undisturbed. I for one am for the rescue of Mitt and expansion of Cannon (though I like you do not get there every season so it's JMO). NYS should do the same with the old Highmount area. I consider these "rescues" as a better option to the cutting any new ski area out of the forest. Wish Tenney could be saved and the original Ski 93 intact but realize it probably won't happen.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

 

[deadheadskier]

Never said racing wasn't part of skiing. All I'm saying was when the lift was proposed, it was sold as lift serviced all natural, not future race arena.

 

[AdironRider]

I think we are having a bit of revisionist history here. The race stuff was a more recent development, but I don't think they ever really implied that it would never have snowmaking, etc.

 

[MadMadWorld]

The whole natural thing is kind of a joke. Mittersil has never been natural. It's always been a ski area, albeit a bit overgrown for a few years. It's not like big Jay or burnt Mtn. Or even pony or saddle Sore. It was and is a ski area. What makes it so unique is that it was a ski area so it has vague remaining lines that are different and unique from other skiing experiences. It is precisely the fact that it is not completely natural, yet not completely a full blown ski area that makes it so appealing. It's the ski area that time forgot.

I agree. People act like they are skiing in the Pemi. Wilderness. The only reason mittersil is unique is because it was a ski area. Otherwise it would be like skiing gunsight. If it was truly natural we prob would have cut glades there by now, but it would be nowhere near as open.

Dropping names left and right. Is this Highway Star trying to get even with Puck It?