2004 Presidential Election Results

[Stephen]

L.A. Sees Cleanest Air Quality on Record

Hole in ozone layer shrinks

Typical liberalism: bad news for the country is good for liberals. Good news for the country is bad for the liberals. Why they set themselves up like that, I'll never know. THIS is why we do not hear the success stories of Iraq on the liberal mainstream media.

U.S. military sees
good news in Iraq: Declassified report finds progress in government, utilities, health care, schools, economy, security

 

[noreaster]

I sure hope President Bush can unite America and reduce all this polarization.
Here is wedding band for sale on ebay because her husband voted for Bush.
I wonder if he knows

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12604&item=4937576741&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

 

[Joshua B]

Sorry Caleb. I work in Cambridge so I see all the blank faces of disbelief and I have to roll my eyes. If you really can't figure it out, maybe you need to step back into reality instead of the ideal fantasy world you must be living in.

It's not crazy to vote for the candidate who wants to protect marriage and unborn babies.

Values. Some people still have them and some people still believe in absolute right and wrong.

But I've heard it all. People that vote for Bush are stupid and they just don't get it. It's that elite attitude of superiority that lost your candidate the election.

 

[noreaster]

It's not crazy to vote for the candidate who wants to protect marriage and unborn babies.

Values. Some people still have them and some people still believe in absolute right and wrong.

But I've heard it all. People that vote for Bush are stupid and they just don't get it. It's that elite attitude of superiority that lost your candidate the election.

Joshua B The problem here is not everyone agrees with your values. Just because you have values doesn't make them right for everyone else. Everyone should respect the fact that you have those values and are entitled to believe in those values. Why should government pass laws to force everyone to agree with your values. We all need to figure out away to get along in this country, which is very divided on many issues at this time. . Forcing ones values on others when its may only be small majority at best may not be good for this country. Both the left and the right have to understand that others may not agree with their point of view and we still need to get a long. Americans, have to stop fighing amongst ourselves.

It sickens me to think what we did to American Indians to force them into the white mans way of life and values. We don't want to repeat similar acts in America.

 

[Joshua B]

Under GW, my goverment has passed laws that directly conflict with my values - MA same-sex marriage.

I actually voted for Kerry, based on my feelings ever since GW started talking about dealing with Iraq. I was willing to let Kerry's administration further infringe on my beliefs and affect my society.

How are we ever going to come together? Good question.

 

[JimG.]

Americans, have to stop fighing amongst ourselves.

It sickens me to think what we did to American Indians to force them into the white mans way of life and values. We don't want to repeat similar acts in America.

Word bro! I agree with you completely and my values are more aligned with Joshua. I'm no spring chicken and for the life of me I don't recall exactly when the political process in this country became a "my way or the highway" type of deal. All I know is that about 50% of the people in this country feel disenfranchised, angry, and downright scared about the future and that's just not healthy.
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my 10 year old son asked me last night why we don't go back to the old days when America was young and the President was whoever got the majority of the popular vote and the VP was whoever came in second. All I could say to him was that it would be a great idea; life is chock full of compromises and we all have to make a few to get along.

 

[tycho32]

This is crazy. Not only did Bush win the electoral college but he won the popular. Isnt it time he was given some kind of credit. The American people have spoken. They agree with what Bush stands for. The problem is that a majority of people in the NE are completely disconnected from main stream America. The dumbest thing the Democratic Party could do in 2008 is nominate Hillary. They need to find a candidate who is not from the NE and who is not nearly as liberal as Kerry of Clinton are. I am not affiliated with either party and probably never will be. I did not vote for Bush last election though I did this election. Someone earlier talked about conservatives trying to enforce values on people who may not share them. What makes me sick is that both sides do it and neither side really sees it. What is the difference between the two really. One side says its wrong the other side says its right and both sides try to force it on the other side and tell them they are intolerate or ignorant if they dont agree.

 

[Greg]

My county is part of Bush Country:

 

[hammer]

That's an interesting map, Greg; makes it look like Bush won by a much larger margin.

Now I'm curious as to what he will spend all of his "political captial" on.

I just hope he can get us out of Iraq before the military has to bring back the draft...

 

[Stephen]

That's an interesting map, Greg; makes it look like Bush won by a much larger margin.

Now I'm curious as to what he will spend all of his "political captial" on.

I just hope he can get us out of Iraq before the military has to bring back the draft...

IF you are worried about that... then you better get the democrats out of congress in '06.

Democrats are the only ones to propose bills to reinstate the draft.

-Stephen

 

[Caleb]

It's not crazy to vote for the candidate who wants to protect marriage and unborn babies.

Values. Some people still have them and some people still believe in absolute right and wrong.

The 'value' vote was a sham. What we really value in the US is the automobile, naked chicks, and an endless supply of oil. Republican strategists were not unaware of this - they invoked God but made damn sure the gasoline kept coming regardless of the human cost. The unwed mother? who gives a crap. Can't make a living wage? who gives crap.

Seriously, do you really care more about gays than you do about your neighbor's welfare, or of the actual planet you inhabit? I am hard pressed to understand the relevance and priority of the gay marriage issue given the other urgencies that went unnoticed. And do you really expect Bush to overturn Roe v Wade? You may wish so, and undoubtedly many moral people do, but why is it then that collective America, if it is truly involved at the working level to prevent abortion, that it seems to care so little about the 50K healthy babies awaiting adoption, and that we seem to care nothing of the 35 million of us who live in poverty? The motive force behind abortion is economics. You can outlaw it, but abortions will happen whether legal or not given the wrong set of economic circumstances. The harder truth is that real measures to reduce abortion rates don't fit into the lifestyle most Americans have as Sunday-only Christians. We gather ourselves on Sunday to puff up on so-called 'values', and then we spend the other 6 days in fearful and selfish absorption without consideration for others.

 

[noreaster]

Greg nice map but don’t get too bushed here. Of the 200+ million Americans only 25% voted for Bush. The reality is Bush's 51% win is only a very small majority here.

I agree Republicans have the power again and if they make mistakes they can't blame anyone else but themselves.

Here is a world map just for comparison. This is not scientific map but may be close. It is something to think about.

A funny cartoon on Bush stay the course.

 

[noreaster]

One more interesting point. The world population past the 6 billion mark in 1999. President Bush, now the most powerful man on the planet, received poitive votes in 2004 that represents less than 1 percent of the world's population.

Actually the 200+ million is an estimated US citizens that could vote if they wanted to.

The current United States population is over 294 million which as you pointed out includes infants, children, and felons that do not have the right to vote.
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock

BTW I was NOT implying anything about the other 75%

My point here is don't get too excited that this was a land slide victory.

On the plus side I must say. It was nice to see that President Bush did get the majority of the vote this time around.

Read more about world population at http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/wp02-1.pdf

 

[hammer]

That's an interesting map, Greg; makes it look like Bush won by a much larger margin.

Now I'm curious as to what he will spend all of his "political captial" on.

I just hope he can get us out of Iraq before the military has to bring back the draft...

IF you are worried about that... then you better get the democrats out of congress in '06.

Democrats are the only ones to propose bills to reinstate the draft.

-Stephen

That's correct, and at this point I'm glad that their efforts (which were politically motivated) have been shot down.

With the heavy use of National Guard and Reserves and the use of "stop loss" measures, however, I believe that the military is way overextended as it is. I believe that, unless we can get out of Iraq in a reasonable amout of time, the military will have no choice but to ask for a reinstatement of the draft.

It just seems that this issue could become W's version of "read my lips..."

 

[noreaster]

Here are some other maps showing election results. We seem to be a country obsessed with election maps these days.

Here is an interesting map using histograms. Clearly Kerry has some of the biggest histograms:

The answer seems to be that the amount of red on the map is skewed because there are a lot of counties in which only a slim majority voted Republican. One possible way to allow for this, suggested by Robert Vanderbei at Princeton University, is to use not just two colors on the map, red and blue, but instead to use red, blue, and shades of purple to indicate percentages of voters. Here is what the normal map looks like if you do this:

If you look at the map above it would difficult to tell who won, which probably means its a good map with almost a 50/50 split in the voting.

Here is an interesting cartogram map of the above.

The last two maps were taken from
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

 

[smitty77]

...is to use not just two colors on the map, red and blue, but instead to use red, blue, and shades of purple to indicate percentages of voters. Here is what the normal map looks like if you do this:

All that is great, if you're not color blind. Jeez, my eyes are still spinning! :wink: As I tell everyone: When I rule the world it will all be in black, white, and shades of gray. And everything will be made to suit a leftie!

Stupid eyesight!