2011 New England Patriots thread

[speden]

That was probably the best game this season. I was nervous pretty much until Ninkovich iced it with that pick six. What a huge difference it makes when the Pats are getting interceptions instead of throwing them.

Can't complain about too much except the abysmal kickoff and punts returns. Most of the game the Jets had great starting field position, usually getting the ball out to the 30 or 40, while the Pats continue to let Woodhead run the ball out to the 10 or 15, and Edleman lets punts roll down to the 8 or just fair catches them there. The only time the Pats got a decent starting position was due to turnovers. Without those, this would have been a different game.

So it's looking like making the playoffs is very do-able now, but doing much damage in the playoffs is another matter. At least they've got some easy games coming up to give Ocho some more training camp time. We need him to be a threat in the playoffs, and it was good that he showed signs of life last night.

 

[deadheadskier]

one other point of criticism. The running game was pretty piss poor, but at least Belichik didn't abandon it. Only decent running was by Woodhead in the 4th quarter


Also, I'm sure #85 is waking up this morning saying, I caught a pass for 53 yards then rode pine the rest of the evening. :lol:

 

[2knees]

Can't believe I'm going to say this, but I still think the pats have as good a chance as anyone in the AFC at making the Packer Bowl. Name one AFC team that doesnt have big time issues.

Steelers? can not close out games and half their defense is hurt. i wont even bring up their truly offensive line.

Ravens. Can you tell me which Ravens team is going to show up on any given night?

Texans. Ummmm Matt Leinart?????

Raiders. christ, its the raiders.

Jets. Dirty sanchez. you dont need to go any further.

so the pats have a horrible defense. and a lack of a deep threat. makes them no more hobbled then any of the other so called contenders in the AFC. and the light at the end of the tunnel is just a packer freight train comin your way.

 

[o3jeff]

Can't believe I'm going to say this, but I still think the pats have as good a chance as anyone in the AFC at making the Packer Bowl. Name one AFC team that doesnt have big time issues.

Steelers? can not close out games and half their defense is hurt. i wont even bring up their truly offensive line.

Ravens. Can you tell me which Ravens team is going to show up on any given night?

Texans. Ummmm Matt Leinart?????

Raiders. christ, its the raiders.

Jets. Dirty sanchez. you dont need to go any further.

so the pats have a horrible defense. and a lack of a deep threat. makes them no more hobbled then any of the other so called contenders in the AFC. and the light at the end of the tunnel is just a packer freight train comin your way.

Watch out for the Dolphins too!

 

[2knees]

Watch out for the Dolphins too!

Dolphins are playing better ball the last two weeks then any of the above mentioned teams. Sporano may have one foot out the door but his guys havent quit on him.

 

[drjeff]

Can't believe I'm going to say this, but I still think the pats have as good a chance as anyone in the AFC at making the Packer Bowl. Name one AFC team that doesnt have big time issues.

Steelers? can not close out games and half their defense is hurt. i wont even bring up their truly offensive line.

Ravens. Can you tell me which Ravens team is going to show up on any given night?

Texans. Ummmm Matt Leinart?????

Raiders. christ, its the raiders.

Jets. Dirty sanchez. you dont need to go any further.

so the pats have a horrible defense. and a lack of a deep threat. makes them no more hobbled then any of the other so called contenders in the AFC. and the light at the end of the tunnel is just a packer freight train comin your way.

Well put. Factor in the Pats schedule the rest of the way, and a 1st round bye is very much in reach right now. Of course if the Pats do as they can do every now and then, which is play to the level of their competition, then there could very well be some UGLY games the rest of the way

 

[speden]

The Pats are in a good spot, but seven more weeks of games is a loooong stretch to get through. Injuries will be a big factor in who's hot come playoff time. On the bright side, Belichick will make good use of the time and hopefully get the late additions and guys like Ocho and Taylor Price productive.

If they meet the Steelers in the playoffs, they've got a good shot at beating them since it will be a revenge game.

The Ravens might take them out. Depends on which team wants it more.

I would not want to see a Jets rematch in the playoffs. The Pats would be overconfident and the Jets would be looking to salvage their reputation. Very dangerous.

Oakland bears watching. Palmer might turn out to be productive there.

I'll be curious to see how Denver does against the Jets tonight. Would be hilarious if Denver somehow wins that one.

 

[drjeff]

The Pats are in a good spot, but seven more weeks of games is a loooong stretch to get through. Injuries will be a big factor in who's hot come playoff time. On the bright side, Belichick will make good use of the time and hopefully get the late additions and guys like Ocho and Taylor Price productive.

If they meet the Steelers in the playoffs, they've got a good shot at beating them since it will be a revenge game.

The Ravens might take them out. Depends on which team wants it more.

I would not want to see a Jets rematch in the playoffs. The Pats would be overconfident and the Jets would be looking to salvage their reputation. Very dangerous.

Oakland bears watching. Palmer might turn out to be productive there.

I'll be curious to see how Denver does against the Jets tonight. Would be hilarious if Denver somehow wins that one.

Agree with the Jets assesment. In my mind, the best thing that could happen for the Patriots with respect to the playoffs. If the Patriots get in as AFC East champs, would be the none of the AFC wildcards come out of the East!

Baltimore?? Who knows with them. They've had some good weeks and then they've also looked like they couldn't even garner a top 25 NCAA ranking other weeks. If Cincy keeps playing well (and we'll see what the Pittsburgh loss did to them last week), then they look good for a wildcard (and if Pittsburgh falters, maybe even a division title).

I think the other telling thing in discussion here, especially given their finishing record as of late, is even though San Diego is one game back of the Raiders in the West right now, NOBODY is mentioning them. Maybe, just maybe folks are realizing that until they actually prove it, the Chargers are prentenders and not contenders

 

[Geoff]

Would be hilarious if Denver somehow wins that one.

Indeed.

I can't believe the Jets managed to blow that game. This totally changes the dynamics in the AFC-East. With 5 losses, the Jets certainly are on the outside looking in for the playoffs.

 

[drjeff]

Indeed.

I can't believe the Jets managed to blow that game. This totally changes the dynamics in the AFC-East. With 5 losses, the Jets certainly are on the outside looking in for the playoffs.

And to make matters even worse for the Jets, they now have an extended break before their next game to let the NY media stew over this Probably the best thing that could happen for the Jets right now would be if the Eagles absolutely crush the Giants on Sunday night to atleast share some of that heat.

Sanchez, well I think that Dennis and Callahan summed it up pretty well this morning, when they essentially said a) he sucks and b) what excuses does he have?? He's got one of the best O lines to protect him, he's got Burress and Holmes making up one of the best wide receiver tandems in football deep. he's got LT available for short dump screen passes, and he's got a good set of backs to hand the ball off too, plus a good defense to back him up

It's amazing how much clearer the road to the AFC East Title is looking for the Patriots today than it was a week ago. Still plenty of football to play, and with the parity in the NFL today (Indy excluded ) you never know what things will look like when the regular season in done on New Years Day

 

[SkiDork]

And to make matters even worse for the Jets, they now have an extended break before their next game to let the NY media stew over this Probably the best thing that could happen for the Jets right now would be if the Eagles absolutely crush the Giants on Sunday night to atleast share some of that heat.

Sanchez, well I think that Dennis and Callahan summed it up pretty well this morning, when they essentially said a) he sucks and b) what excuses does he have?? He's got one of the best O lines to protect him, he's got Burress and Holmes making up one of the best wide receiver tandems in football deep. he's got LT available for short dump screen passes, and he's got a good set of backs to hand the ball off too, plus a good defense to back him up

It's amazing how much clearer the road to the AFC East Title is looking for the Patriots today than it was a week ago. Still plenty of football to play, and with the parity in the NFL today (Indy excluded ) you never know what things will look like when the regular season in done on New Years Day

And he's got Keller. What the hell is wrong with him?

 

[deadheadskier]

And he's got Keller. What the hell is wrong with him?

A. He's not very good

B. He's got Brian Schottenheimer as an Offensive Coordinator and he's not very good

 

[2knees]

A. He's not very good

B. He's got Brian Schottenheimer as an Offensive Coordinator and he's not very good

I'll agree about Snottenheimer but I always thought of Keller as a solid, if not under utilized, tight end.

 

[deadheadskier]

I thought Dork was referring to Sanchez with his statement. I agree, Keller is a solid TE.

 

[SkiDork]

yes I was referring to Sanchez. I thought he would be the one to lead us to the promised land.

How many years was Phil Simms berated before he turned around and led the team to the SB?

 

[drjeff]

yes I was referring to Sanchez. I thought he would be the one to lead us to the promised land.

How many years was Phil Simms berated before he turned around and led the team to the SB?

Phil Simms had much more solid mechanics and a far better deep ball then Sanchez has. That's a big difference. The overwhelming majority of this Jet offense happens within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage and even with Burress and Holmes, this Jet offense basically has NO downfield game. Jam the line and the Jet offense is in trouble - not the case with the old Giants and Simms

 

[Geoff]

Phil Simms had much more solid mechanics and a far better deep ball then Sanchez has. That's a big difference. The overwhelming majority of this Jet offense happens within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage and even with Burress and Holmes, this Jet offense basically has NO downfield game. Jam the line and the Jet offense is in trouble - not the case with the old Giants and Simms

The LT Phil Simms played with was much better than the LT Sanchez plays with. That Giants team had a truly dominant defense. Phil Simms was hardly an elite quarterback even in his best years. His best QB rating was 92 and that was in a year when he only threw for 2200 yards throwing to Dave Meggett coming out of the backfield.

 

[Geoff]

And to make matters even worse for the Jets, they now have an extended break before their next game to let the NY media stew over this Probably the best thing that could happen for the Jets right now would be if the Eagles absolutely crush the Giants on Sunday night to atleast share some of that heat.

Sanchez, well I think that Dennis and Callahan summed it up pretty well this morning, when they essentially said a) he sucks and b) what excuses does he have?? He's got one of the best O lines to protect him, he's got Burress and Holmes making up one of the best wide receiver tandems in football deep. he's got LT available for short dump screen passes, and he's got a good set of backs to hand the ball off too, plus a good defense to back him up

It's amazing how much clearer the road to the AFC East Title is looking for the Patriots today than it was a week ago. Still plenty of football to play, and with the parity in the NFL today (Indy excluded ) you never know what things will look like when the regular season in done on New Years Day

In his defense, he was handing the ball to the #3 running back last night. Denver has a pretty good defense. How else could they have won 5 games with that horrific offense? Of course, there is no excuse for what happened last Sunday night throwing against a bunch of practice squad players from the Patriots. An elite QB would have chewed the Patriots up.

For the next 10 days, I'm a temporary Jets fan. I want them to destroy the Bills. The last thing I want is for Buffalo to come into Foxboro on week 17 for a meaningful game. The good news for the Patriots is that it's looking like they don't see a good QB for the next 5 games. KC will be fielding a backup. I doubt Vick will be healthy. Indy isn't going to win a game this year with Manning gone. Redskins/Rex Grossman? Denver/Tebow?

 

[SkiDork]

For the next 10 days, I'm a temporary Jets fan.